How good is Ryzen? see for yourself !

[SPS]

It will use the intel HD graphics for compute, not your 1070.
I see that Intel does support running OpenCL kernels on a CPU however, I'm unsure in this instance whether the GPU device of the 4790k is also being used.

 

[NeverBackDown]

And if it's using the iGPU, Zen doesn't have that. Which means it's just plain faster

 

[SPS]

And if it's using the iGPU, Zen doesn't have that. Which means it's just plain faster

Well not necessarily. They may be leveraging OpenCL in a way similar to the Intel Embree library.

 

[NeverBackDown]

Well not necessarily. They may be leveraging OpenCL in a way similar to the Intel Embree library.

Welp. Won't argue that. You're the expert

 

[NickOmega]

OpenCL 2.0 has been supported since Haswell it just isn't enabled.



Yes I mean OpenCL, but it's doesn't use the GPU. CUDA renders that scene in roughly 15 seconds. My argument is that we were never shown the settings used my AMD in their test, there are multiple ways Blender can be "tuned" to render faster and visa versa.

I was under the impression that the .blend file provided automatically used the same render settings, otherwise what would be the point of them providing it for users to verify their results.

 

[SeekaX]

We could just wait for it to release and put it through its paces properly instead of speculating on a benchmark which clearly has little to no merit.

 

[NeverBackDown]

I was under the impression that the .blend file provided automatically used the same render settings, otherwise what would be the point of them providing it for users to verify their results.

The file you downloaded is the exact one they used from the show. There really is no saying it's not apples to apples.
Whether compute was on or not, doesn't matter, the test is equal unless you change stuff.
Once you turn on compute, it no longer is comparable.If you turn it on, you'd need a Zen CPU to have it on too. But we don't have those yet...

 

[Wraith]

I was under the impression that the .blend file provided automatically used the same render settings, otherwise what would be the point of them providing it for users to verify their results.

Blender automatically runs according to what ever hardware you have, by default it uses CPU for me until I enable CUDA (disabled by default). AMD have the edge with Blender as it favours their cores feature sets out of the box, for Intel CPUs we have to enable these features manually. Same thing goes for GPUs as CUDA cores excel in Blender over Radeon.

a .blend file can't alter your preferences or system settings only the render presets and render engine.

 

[AlienALX]

Blender automatically runs according to what ever hardware you have, by default it uses CPU for me until I enable CUDA (disabled by default). AMD have the edge with Blender as it favours their cores feature sets out of the box, for Intel CPUs we have to enable these features manually. Same thing goes for GPUs as CUDA cores excel in Blender over Radeon.

a .blend file can't alter your preferences or system settings only the render presets and render engine.

Dude not being funny but how do you know? specifically the stuff relating to Zen. Just because Blender may have worked better on Vishera and earlier CPUs does not mean that Zen works the same way. Well, unless you have a Ryzen CPU already or have spoken to some one who does. So I would imagine that you wouldn't be able to say with any certainty that Blender favours Ryzen.

And that still would not explain the Handbrake results. Because it hated my FX 8320 lol.

 

[Wraith]

I'll reserve judgement now until Ryzen is released and I see some real reviewer stuff and honest direct comparisons, it's difficult to lift the dress to check the goods when the wife to be is wearing long johns. I want AMD to shine this year I really do but all they are doing at the moment is embarrassing them self's with smoke and mirrors promoting. Intel are already sweating and dodging around like a rabbit on a highway, which is giving us good vibes.

 

[AlienALX]

haha yeah as long as they make Intel sweat

Just read my post back.. Sounds a bit p155y. It wasn't meant to be, so if I sounded like that I apologise

One month, and I am not even buying. Honestly though it feels like I am waiting for a baby to be born or something lmao. I don't know why I get like this with new launches. Guess the bug is still alive

One thing we did notice on another forum was that ram speed was pretty crucial. A mate of mine rendered in 39 secs on his 5820k @ 4.4 with 2400 ram. I rendered 44 seconds @ 4.5ghz with 2133.

So yeah, ram speed makes an awful big difference it would seem.

 

[Kilbane]

Dude not being funny but how do you know? specifically the stuff relating to Zen. Just because Blender may have worked better on Vishera and earlier CPUs does not mean that Zen works the same way. Well, unless you have a Ryzen CPU already or have spoken to some one who does. So I would imagine that you wouldn't be able to say with any certainty that Blender favours Ryzen.

And that still would not explain the Handbrake results. Because it hated my FX 8320 lol.

This is the exact point that we are trying to get to. I genuinely hope Ryzen is great, I for one will look at building a rig based on it.

But it is all still speculation, and as for using blender, because we were never shown settings used, and AMD have released the .blend file with settings, it all means nothing as we can't compare or guarantee they have not artificially boosted their own results.

It's all been enough to make Intel sweat, and that is the greatest part. Now let's hope all the speculation is true and we can all go to team red for a change.