Why The Gun In Civilization?

[FragTek]

I was under the impression that the check took an amount of days Frag ? Or are there circumstances ?

Urgh, I hope republicans don`t have kids. Kids get into everything.

No, that was before we had NICS. NICS is instant, it does the same check the old waiting period did (criminal background check) but since it's all done online no more waiting for the paperwork to go to and from and yadda yadda yadda.

Now you're introducing another factor. Of course kids get in to everything. At a very young age before they can be taught not to play with guns, you simply store them somewhere that's still easily accessible yet out of their grubby little grasp. When they get older, you simply teach them about guns, show them the proper way to handle a gun, etc, and everything turns out fine. I grew up around guns, a lot of guns, from birth. I was well informed and thus I grew up to be a responsible gun toting citizen of the USA. The key to everything is education. Once you learn, you realize that their is really no imminent threat posed by us gun owners. People say that banning guns will keep them out of the handles of criminals, yeah ok, let's keep dreaming. We seem to be doing a great job of keeping illegal drugs out of the hands of addicts, why would guns be any different? If their's a will their's a way.

 

[browney]

Right on Frag, and to those that say it causes more death think of this. You outlaw guns, now normal citizens don't have guns but criminals, who buy definition don't care about the law, still have guns. They now also know that the person they are going to try and mug, rob, etc are unarmed, so crime goes up.

Well you just described the UK: S but crime hasn’t gone up because we don’t carry guns. I see no reason to carry a gun. I do however think that a gun to be KEEPT IN! The house would be fine.

I agree that you should be able to defend your own land/house/items and think if you find someone in your house stealing, you should have the right to do as you wish without the risk of persecution.

 

[Rastalovich]

There`s me forgetting we`ve got the internet on computers now LOL Saying that I guess if the place is remote and the owner doesn`t even know the cold war is over yet, it might take some time.

I`d like an honest poll of parents who`ve had to grab their gun of their kids, not being sure if it`s loaded or not. But again u can replace the gun with a sharp butcher knife, if u`r an irresponsible parent then u`r irresponsible.

Looking at the criminal eliment, if u ban guns in the US, it`ll be similar to the UK - where mostly all the people u don`t want to have guns have them.

There`s a balance to be found somewhere. I mean even in the UK when that farmer?? shot an intruder or 2 in his house, immediately the law people wanted to throw the book at him til the pressure of the people took hold. Strictly speaking the guy should be doing up to 20 years for manslaughter.

Frag, we live in a world where people don`t want to be responsible for their actions. We have to spend money and make laws for people to wear seat belts in cars - personally I could care less, if u don`t wear one and u fly out u`r windshield, I`ll be the first one to tell you it`s u`r own fault. We have to tell the likes of McDonalds not to make fatty meals so the kids will eat healthier - who buys the freakin` McDonalds ? Same in supermarkets `n stuff. Similarly censorship of things like the net, "we`d" rather people not be able to access things b`cos we don`t want to watch what "our" kids do on the net. Same with films etc. Games. "This game is too violent" - yeah well see that 18 stamped on it? Why`s u`r 13 year old got it - ban them all !! We have kids when we can`t afford them and pay some1 else to watch them for half the time they`re awake, cos we want to work. Then complain how they turn out when we`re old.

Oh, I`d love to have a fully working Winchester rifle mounted on a wall >.<

 

[NickS]

hardly

in the situation frag describes in his first post, if the other person gets brave and decides to approach you, what do you do?

a) if you are holding a baseball bat or frying pan - you clobber em with it. at worst knocking them out

Let me take a swing at your head with a baseball bat. If you're being attacked, adrenaline will be instantaneous. Strength will be greater than usual, senses will be heightened, etc. In the fight or flee state of mind, if you decide to fight and you take a good swing at their head, I doubt they're going to live to see daylight.. and if they do, they'll be a vegetable with a side of oblivion.

 

[FarFarAway]

Some of the arguments on here are like sieves...full of holes.

It all comes down to what that society believes is right. The USA believes the right for everyone to have a gun is right, we in the UK don't, simple as that. I'm sure there are stats we could all pull out of our arses that prove one point or another that guns reduce or increase crime.

You cannot, however, say that a gun is less lethal than a frying pan or baseball bat. Also with a gun in the hand and adrenalin pumping one slip and you unleash a very powerful force. A baseball bat requires a fair bit more conscious effort and force to produce anywhere near equal effects

 

[FragTek]

I guess it really boils down to American's nature to kick ass and take names. We don't take

in any form, from anyone. Cross us and we bend you over like your 16 year old sister and

you.

 

[NickS]

Some of the arguments on here are like sieves...full of holes.

It all comes down to what that society believes is right. The USA believes the right for everyone to have a gun is right, we in the UK don't, simple as that. I'm sure there are stats we could all pull out of our arses that prove one point or another that guns reduce or increase crime.

You cannot, however, say that a gun is less lethal than a frying pan or baseball bat. Also with a gun in the hand and adrenalin pumping one slip and you unleash a very powerful force. A baseball bat requires a fair bit more conscious effort and force to produce anywhere near equal effects

You are correct Kempez.

As with everything, there are pro's and con's.

 

[PP Mguire]

i agree with the defending your property kinda stuff (texas ftw)

Yea baby!! I love Texas!! And we have no trespassing signs everywhere. Prosecuters will be shot. Sherif saw that and said, you guys have no restrictions and signs up, if you shoot somebody at least dial 911. Im like AHAHAH i love this state. Just the other day in Lubbock i saw a cowboy lookin guy carrying a shotgun. IN PLAIN SITE. Its legal if its not loaded. I was like DAMN. Me and my friend carry 1911's in our trunks unloaded as well. Pretty cool stuff living here.

 

[FragTek]

Yea baby!! I love Texas!! And we have no trespassing signs everywhere. Prosecuters will be shot. Sherif saw that and said, you guys have no restrictions and signs up, if you shoot somebody at least dial 911. Im like AHAHAH i love this state. Just the other day in Lubbock i saw a cowboy lookin guy carrying a shotgun. IN PLAIN SITE. Its legal if its not loaded. I was like DAMN. Me and my friend carry 1911's in our trunks unloaded as well. Pretty cool stuff living here.

Virginia is the same but better. I carry my XD loaded on my hip in plain site every day, everywhere I go. Any gun you might have, loaded, as long as it's in plain site is perfectly legal. Nothing better than walking through a Wal-Mart with a locked and loaded pistol on your hip, they all get a blank look on their faces. I love it. Pantywastes

 

[NickS]

Tell me, what is the point of carrying an unloaded shotgun? Intimidation? You're better off with a 2 by 4 with a rusty nail sticking out of one end.

 

[PP Mguire]

Becasue you can do like him and carry 2 slugs in his mouth ><

Yea Frag you prolly have a license to carry, we dont. We just usualy keep them in there to go to the gun range. Wish i could get a picture of his, its perty.

EDIT: And yes, intimidation. You cant tell if its loaded or not. You gonna mess with a guy carrying around a shotgun? With my 1911 i wouldnt even try.

 

[equk]

I used to go to a gun range every 2 weeks or so when I was 16 was only air rifles tho but still a laugh.

 

[PP Mguire]

My friend works at a gun range so he gets a hefty discount on firearms and ammo. So its fairly cheap to go blow some rounds at some targets.

 

[Rastalovich]

I used to go to a gun range every 2 weeks or so when I was 16 was only air rifles tho but still a laugh.

The feeling u get firing a gun, when u come from a place avoid of them, is hard to describe.

My friend works at a gun range so he gets a hefty discount on firearms and ammo. So its fairly cheap to go blow some rounds at some targets.

lol old man`s land I was on he kept picking up the casings. They explained to me why after.

 

[PP Mguire]

Becasue you can refill them later.

 

[FragTek]

Becasue you can refill them later.

That would be reload

 

[youpla]

You meant to say problems created by stupid people, I forgive you though.

I would rather say problems cause by a stupid system and stupid laws that let stupid people buy stupid guns!

For me the heart of the problem is not having guns or not having guns, but the laws and rules that should be necessary to protect the citizens.

First paragraph response: Yes you can, that's exactly how it is. You walk in, you pick out the gun or guns that you want, pay, and leave with them (after checking with the NICS system). Pretty cut and dry

No, that was before we had NICS. NICS is instant, it does the same check the old waiting period did (criminal background check) but since it's all done online no more waiting for the paperwork to go to and from and yadda yadda yadda.

So basically anyone can enter a shop buy a gun and get out just because the NICS says he has no criminal records. Wow that's an impressive system!

B) False. People that actually carry weapons don't "shoot in panic" we have more training and sense than that.

Well I beg to differ on that, how many people with a gun have actually had a proper training on how to handle and use guns compared to those who don't know

about it. The majority of people who owns guns does not have the proper training unfortunatly and that's the biggest problem.

So with the point stated above: I don't know

about guns, never had training, dunno how I will react if I had to use the gun in a dangerous situation, but hell I don't have a criminal record so I can get my guns as easy as that...

My point here is that people are not educated enough to have guns, so why letting them buy guns! Why not force people who want to have guns to follow a training period first and evaluate their skill, see if they are stable enough... why not require a license to have a gun like we have a license to drive a car. You fail to pass the test, you don't get your license and you don't get a gun!

However this will probably cost money for the government and in the end it will probably reduce the number of guns to be sold... and of course it is not a good idea for the gun industry and lobby!

PS: I am not considering criminals in my remarks, just regular pips like you and me. Criminals are criminals, and whatever laws or systems in place they will get their guns anyway.

So I will just end with this... you have a proper training and have a gun, then you can probably shoot the criminal not the poor guy standing right next to him! Education is the key And when I say shoot I don't say kill, with a proper training you should know where to aim, not to kill the guy but put him down! hehehe

 

[FragTek]

In response to everything you just said.

This is the USA. We have a Bill of Rights. Our Bill or Rights states that we can have guns, as many as we want, yay for us. Our culture is a gun culture. Most Americans grow up around guns and are very well educated from childhood about guns. Therefor qualifying the majority of our country to own a gun safely and use it properly.

At your comment on NICS. What more do you want? Anything more than that is an infringement upon our 2nd Amendment rights.

I sincerely hope that one day you get shot by a criminal on the street and as you're fighting for your last breathe of air, choking and gurgling on your own blood, you will realize the errors of believing an unarmed nation is truly the safest. I hope your last thought before you die is "wow, Frag was right...."

 

[PP Mguire]

You do have to have a license to have a gun actualy. But thats not the case in all situations. I can have my friend Shane (like i have) go down and get a gun for me and wala. I got one with no license. And you dont have to have training rather common sense to shoot somebody in the leg and they go down. But you dont even see that simple form of common sense in todays movies. The problem is exactly what hes saying. The stupid people of todays general public get so stupid around guns its not even funny. Have a gander at my favorite quote in this situation

Guns dont kill people, people kill people.