Why The Gun In Civilization?
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I support gun laws, and I'm a
(American) nationalist, but this seems like a blunt attack on other peoples beliefs and culture IMO. Frag, we know you support the 2nd amendment, as do I and my family, but jeez. This is like the third thread. We know everyone's opinion on it, we all have our own morals & values, beliefs, et al. Point being, I doubt a random little writeup is going to change them.
(American) nationalist, but this seems like a blunt attack on other peoples beliefs and culture IMO. Frag, we know you support the 2nd amendment, as do I and my family, but jeez. This is like the third thread. We know everyone's opinion on it, we all have our own morals & values, beliefs, et al. Point being, I doubt a random little writeup is going to change them.I really don;t see the logic in this..
if somebody has a gun, arent they more likely to use force (ie. shoot) than somebody who doesnt have a gun?
and if faced with the option of somebody who was going to beat me up, or somebody who "might" shoot me, id take the beating every time!
and your argument also assumes that people wont use a baseball bat in the same way as a gun, to reason via threat. I admit that the majority of people are more likely to use a baseball bat than a gun, but I don't see that as a bad thing...
i could go on forever, but i have to revise
if somebody has a gun, arent they more likely to use force (ie. shoot) than somebody who doesnt have a gun?
and if faced with the option of somebody who was going to beat me up, or somebody who "might" shoot me, id take the beating every time!
and your argument also assumes that people wont use a baseball bat in the same way as a gun, to reason via threat. I admit that the majority of people are more likely to use a baseball bat than a gun, but I don't see that as a bad thing...
i could go on forever, but i have to revise
name='Nagaru' said:
Well I don't think history can enter into it. Britain took over half the world at gun point. And what about the great crusade.....think we got our hands a BIT bloody there. Then there's the holocaust........
The invention of the gun is probably the worst thing mankind has done for itself. Removing them is pointless because there is always knives, bats, sharp pencils etc but giving everyone one WILL massively increase killings by gun. You say criminals will be worried before challenging someone who is likely to have a gun? Where's the risk with a weapon that can kill a person from yards away, without them even seeing you.
Besides, I dont think desperate criminals will be that fussy, if theyre desperate enough to turn to crime I see no reason why the incidences of criminals shooting victims and THEN taking their wallet rising. What about all the 'oh he had a gun so i shot him' cases that will come up in court? how will that be dealt with.
The fact is, there is no way around the problem other than to have a good hard look at what causes the gun problems in America and fix the root of the problem, so people like frag and nick can hang on to their guns for recreational use.
FragTek
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name='NickS' said:I support gun laws, and I'm a
TBH I just like stirring the pot, it brings all of the whiny little
Culture must be kinda different over there by a looooong way...Over here guns are treated with upmost respect and are only allowed to be used legally for sport. Of course you do respect them but your last remark frag was a bit naive on other people's opinions. You were deeply shocked and disgusted at the uni killings (as were all of us) yet you use these weapons that have brought so man y bad things to mankind as a "poo stirrer" to get people to show their opinions for you to laugh at. Not very tolerant is it? 
Nothin personal as always, just felt like getting into this heated discussion. I still feel that if u are gonna carry a gun around not for recreational - your thinking about killing someone if it is defending yourself - i agree with the defending your property kinda stuff (texas ftw) but having to take a gun everywhere to defend myself (just because most people in the street may have one) does not appeal to me at all
Nothin personal as always, just felt like getting into this heated discussion. I still feel that if u are gonna carry a gun around not for recreational - your thinking about killing someone if it is defending yourself - i agree with the defending your property kinda stuff (texas ftw) but having to take a gun everywhere to defend myself (just because most people in the street may have one) does not appeal to me at all
FragTek
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Of course my last remark was naive, doesn't look like I tried to sugar coat it does it? lol
The university killings are the most whack point to try and make. It's simple. Allow guns on campus so that people like myself can shoot idiots like the one that went on a tyrannical rampage. Problem solved. I win. Guns win. Yay.
The university killings are the most whack point to try and make. It's simple. Allow guns on campus so that people like myself can shoot idiots like the one that went on a tyrannical rampage. Problem solved. I win. Guns win. Yay.
it does work at the highest level.
equk
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name='PP Mguire' said:
name='FragTek' said:
name='PP Mguire' said:
I think that is good, at least people think twice before entering the property with bad intentions.
Seems to be the opposite here. If you hurt a robber you are the one who gets put into prison or gets prosecuted
There was one farmer here who was robbed 3 times and on the 3rd time he caught the robber and shot him. He ended up getting done for man slaughter or something
hardly
in the situation frag describes in his first post, if the other person gets brave and decides to approach you, what do you do?
a) if you are holding a baseball bat or frying pan - you clobber em with it. at worst knocking them out
b) if you have a gun you shoot it in panic, and kill the other person. with a gun, if it turns violent thr is only 1 outcome..
in the situation frag describes in his first post, if the other person gets brave and decides to approach you, what do you do?
a) if you are holding a baseball bat or frying pan - you clobber em with it. at worst knocking them out
b) if you have a gun you shoot it in panic, and kill the other person. with a gun, if it turns violent thr is only 1 outcome..
FragTek
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name='Dav0s' said:
A) False. You think you can't kill someone with a baseball bat or a frying pan? And what is a baseball bat or frying pan going to do against an assailant with a gun?
B) False. People that actually carry weapons don't "shoot in panic" we have more training and sense than that. And gun shot wounds don't instantly spell death. I hate to use this crappy example but look at these retarded thug ass gangsters that shoot each other repeated amounts of times and they don't die. 50 Cent anyone? How many times has been shot? Like 9 times, all in one shooting, didn't die. So no, there's not only one outcome.
Rastalovich
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Yeah u can pretty much kill some1 just by punching them, and if u`r intent is to kill u`ll either know how to do it or have a tool u intend to do so - with.
A gun is a tool imo. The stage u reach where u have (or feel u have) to have one cos some1 else might, is the time u`ve reached lawlessness.
The right to bare arms if a fair law tbh, peoples need them for all kinds of reasons, heck I`d have one just for the sake of having one cos I like em. But there is/are a means by which to own one legitimatly.
There are extremes tho, u can require one for hunting depending on where u r, and u can require one just for fun. Meaning u keep it in a box and u use it at ranges etc. Maintain it, show it off and properly know how u should handle it.
The other extreme is the m50, or m16 with grenade launcher - wtef. In certain hands yes for certain reasons. In other hands no. I think there are levels of guns and the control of. I would be under the belief that legitimately apply to purchase one of these would take u through the process of why. I know of an ex marine who owns an m16, and seeing as he aint a nutcase, I have no qualms about him owning one.
I think power wize (I have no idea if this is US-wide) in Tx u can`t, as a regular person, "legally" have a shotgun that hold more than 3 rounds and u can`t shoot at certain things until certain times of the year. I understand the reasoning - there are rules. Then there`s rulings on amunition. The police in Tx only have plastic coated bullets - that includes swat. There`s sanctions into which a full metal jacket can be used, I don`t know what they are. There was a well publicized scene a few months ago where an officer/ex-officer had wigged out and the long pursuit had come to an end, dozens of officers were trying to take him down with a massive spray of gun shots but they couldn`t penetrate the part of the car he was behind. (there`s a bigger picture behind that story) The reason behind the plastic coated amo is to minimize fatalities from strays.
It`s not like alot of people perceive. U can`t just walk into a hunting shop, pick out a gun and walk out with it. This is of course if u`r a legal person.
It`s also not the case that u can walk into an average american household and find a gun in a draw all ready to go.. average.. sure there are some real idiots out there - similar idiots will go out and get themselves into a wreck killing peoples, hopefully themselves. From my experience, the gun is packed away somewhere, in it`s holder or case, and the amunition is somewhere else, equally stowed away. But u can`t legislate for idiots. Idiots leave their kids to play on the roads etc.
I`m very unhappy with people purchasing a weapon to defend themselves from other people tbh. I`d like to see 50million other things happen b4 they do that, but we don`t live in a perfect world. And the US is inherently different in make up to the UK. I don`t have to travel from cardiff to bristol to goto walmart for 1.
A gun is a tool imo. The stage u reach where u have (or feel u have) to have one cos some1 else might, is the time u`ve reached lawlessness.
The right to bare arms if a fair law tbh, peoples need them for all kinds of reasons, heck I`d have one just for the sake of having one cos I like em. But there is/are a means by which to own one legitimatly.
There are extremes tho, u can require one for hunting depending on where u r, and u can require one just for fun. Meaning u keep it in a box and u use it at ranges etc. Maintain it, show it off and properly know how u should handle it.
The other extreme is the m50, or m16 with grenade launcher - wtef. In certain hands yes for certain reasons. In other hands no. I think there are levels of guns and the control of. I would be under the belief that legitimately apply to purchase one of these would take u through the process of why. I know of an ex marine who owns an m16, and seeing as he aint a nutcase, I have no qualms about him owning one.
I think power wize (I have no idea if this is US-wide) in Tx u can`t, as a regular person, "legally" have a shotgun that hold more than 3 rounds and u can`t shoot at certain things until certain times of the year. I understand the reasoning - there are rules. Then there`s rulings on amunition. The police in Tx only have plastic coated bullets - that includes swat. There`s sanctions into which a full metal jacket can be used, I don`t know what they are. There was a well publicized scene a few months ago where an officer/ex-officer had wigged out and the long pursuit had come to an end, dozens of officers were trying to take him down with a massive spray of gun shots but they couldn`t penetrate the part of the car he was behind. (there`s a bigger picture behind that story) The reason behind the plastic coated amo is to minimize fatalities from strays.
It`s not like alot of people perceive. U can`t just walk into a hunting shop, pick out a gun and walk out with it. This is of course if u`r a legal person.
It`s also not the case that u can walk into an average american household and find a gun in a draw all ready to go.. average.. sure there are some real idiots out there - similar idiots will go out and get themselves into a wreck killing peoples, hopefully themselves. From my experience, the gun is packed away somewhere, in it`s holder or case, and the amunition is somewhere else, equally stowed away. But u can`t legislate for idiots. Idiots leave their kids to play on the roads etc.
I`m very unhappy with people purchasing a weapon to defend themselves from other people tbh. I`d like to see 50million other things happen b4 they do that, but we don`t live in a perfect world. And the US is inherently different in make up to the UK. I don`t have to travel from cardiff to bristol to goto walmart for 1.
FragTek
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name='Rastalovich' said:
First paragraph response: Yes you can, that's exactly how it is. You walk in, you pick out the gun or guns that you want, pay, and leave with them (after checking with the NICS system). Pretty cut and dry.
The average Republicans will have a firearm, loaded and ready to go in a easily accessible place in the house. What's the point of owning a firearm for your homes protection if it's not loaded and ready when you might need it?
Rastalovich
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I was under the impression that the check took an amount of days Frag ? Or are there circumstances ?
Urgh, I hope republicans don`t have kids. Kids get into everything.
Urgh, I hope republicans don`t have kids. Kids get into everything.
