We're out out - The Brexit Thread

[SPS]

Now I'm not going to argue that the number of incidents has gone up, but I'd suggests that some that wouldn't have been reported on before brexit are now making news just to get that narrative across, or 1 incident being reported in 3 places turning into 3 different incidents. Maybe even some of those that want to remain doing or reporting things in the hope of getting a 2nd referendum or a complete overturn of the first is not beyond a possibility
Not saying that incidents b4 are any less bad then those after.

P.s maybe I just go to the wrong parts of Twitter, I don't have an account on it anymore, for my generalisation I apologise.

The people committing these crimes have always been the way they have, but Brexit has made them feel that they no longer have to hide in the shadows. This is because the Brexit leave campaign has come across as being small-minded and xenophobic.

The crimes are unrelated to our EU membership really.

 

[remember300]

Im sorry im late the the arguement been trying to mend myself to get back into work.

Right i voted out ill put that there now.

I voted for several reasons the main one is the fact all the people making descisions in the EU are not elected. So they are not accountable for the laws they force onto people, and we cant complain as we are just told your part of the EU so you have to swallow it (not any more).
I do feel there is an immigration problem and its not from people willing to work and fleeing warzones but but but! In most of the news feeds i see of the people fleeing warzones are mainly male ... of a young age. These are the people that should fight for their country not flee it to another country and expect ots laws to be rewritten to please you. I have so much respect for those that stay by choice to defend thier homeland, but i digress due to the way central europe has reacted to the influx of war flee'ers they just seem to allow them through and let them come into a strained UK to take the most from our underfunded NHS and houses that we have people here who need. So that is my stand on immigration. Call me a racist i know im not. And i do not condone violence to anyone just for being who they are.

As an outtie i am sad cameron has stepped down he has done it for his reasons which is fair enough but right now out of all the remainers in that party he would be the least bias, if that makes sense. All polititions lie to a certain extent some outright some not so much, both sides lied tough.

As the for the veto to the brexit i think that would be stupid that would cause very high civil unrest as it is not democratic same as this petition. I would of said that if we won or lost a vote is counted and we must stand by that vote as a country.

To those saying the old screwed us over i have a few things to say to that;
They lived in a non eu time so have a better understanding of what it would be like.
When they where the age of the young voters instead of being able to vote on something like this they where dying for peoples right to vote or even those to young to fight had to deal with our country under rationing to protect freedoms. Saying they have no vote i think is disgusting!

As for the break in out country im as sad that borders in Ireland are feeling worse and you are worried about things are going to be with the guns and dogs but if i am not mistaken that was not just to do with the EU but more do to a civil unrest/ IRA problem more than anything else. But i honestly feel so sad that it would have to become that way.

Then there is scotland i understand you voted to remain but england voted out if we split we both get what we wanted. However then a solid wall between us would suck and we would not be a United Kingdom. When asked what my nationality is i have always said british as in a member of the british isles we are stuck out here together and to be so divided would be sad.
How ever scotland wants to just make waves in some retrospect i am sure i have seen england takes most of the products produced by scotland ... so if we split there would be taxes on that where there should not be in my opinion. They also wish to change one person they hate for someone i bet they will hate alot more and change scotland masively they will have to adopt the euro, they will have to allow any and everyone in from the eu or not. Most likely lose the nhs. And join the new EU superstate where their money is just taken from them and not spent where they want it.

Lastly and i apoligise for this long rant.

For those places that are getting funds from the eu that is still money we put in the eu so there should be no reason why once the final cut is made they will lose anything.

Is it wrong to vote for what you beleive in, no! Is it wrong to try to veto a vote made by a majority a small (1.4million) differance but still majority, Yes! Is it wrong to want to hold your law makers to account, No. Is it wrong to label those with that mindset a racist, Yes!

Sorry again for length had a lot to say i guess.

 

[Greenback]

The people committing these crimes have always been the way they have, but Brexit has made them feel that they no longer have to hide in the shadows. This is because the Brexit leave campaign has come across as being small-minded and xenophobic.

The crimes are unrelated to our EU membership really.

I would also put that what hasn't helped in this is the child abuse that wasn't investigated because those involved were Muslim and the reports on Sharia courts being setup, people start seeing a 1 rule for them and another for us attitude. say what you want about christianity, catholics but say anything about islam and the islamphobic racist card is played, the western world has to get over it's special snowflake when it comes to islam

 

[Tolemac]

To those saying the old screwed us over i have a few things to say to that;
They lived in a non eu time so have a better understanding of what it would be like.
When they where the age of the young voters instead of being able to vote on something like this they where dying for peoples right to vote or even those to young to fight had to deal with our country under rationing to protect freedoms. Saying they have no vote i think is disgusting!

^^This

Lets not forget some of the elderly lived through the war when the country was on rations did they flee their country NO they got on with it and fought a war for the right for us to vote in the first place.

 

[remember300]

And this statement stands for any vote that people say old people should be excluded from! I think that is one thing that angers me so many peoples parents and grandparents would turn in their graves if they knew the disrespect they would be getting for their sacrifices!
Im also not talking in this country or which side or a war they was on they fought some died for their beleifs for their country.
The horrors they saw and went through they know real financial desparity.

 

[Greenback]

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To be fair the refugee crisis wasn't caused by the EU, it's more the USA and UK destabilising the middle east starting with Iraq, and Angela Merkel opening the doors to let them in.

Scotland could end up having to bend over backwards to stay in the EU, and could be independent from the uk and EU for several years b4 they get to rejoin.

there would be very few that actually fought in the war that voted considering 15 years old would now be 86 allowing for deaths and mental illness

it will be interesting with countries having election over the next few years and parties offering referendums on the EU, it could be a make or break for the EU

 

[remember300]

But i was not just talking about the war i also mentioned the many years of Rationing after lots of people remember the rationing due to the war. It was not just the soldiers who fought for our freedom it was everyone who did their part.

 

[Tolemac]

But i was not just talking about the war i also mentioned the many years of Rationing after lots of people remember the rationing due to the war. It was not just the soldiers who fought for our freedom it was everyone who did their part.

I left that part out but understand what you mean

 

[SuB]

And this statement stands for any vote that people say old people should be excluded from! I think that is one thing that angers me so many peoples parents and grandparents would turn in their graves if they knew the disrespect they would be getting for their sacrifices!
Im also not talking in this country or which side or a war they was on they fought some died for their beleifs for their country.
The horrors they saw and went through they know real financial desparity.

While it's true, these are some of the very same people that still happily go around belittling and beguiling 'queers' and 'niggers' and have a very closed point of view when it comes to the types of arguments, discussions and legislations of today.
Especially when it comes to the rights of people who can now get married because of modern legislation.

They were of course around in a time before the EU, but that's not necessarily a time that any of us want to go back to.

I have every respect, probably more than most, for the things our elders endured, for the sacrifices they made, but the world has changed an awful lot since the pre EU days.

I understand why you guys above have voted the way you have, they are your own thoughts and feelings, you have explained them fully and I respect that in it's entirety

The problem is that it's become extremely clear that an awful lot of people voted the way they did because of deliberate deception, lies, propaganda and fear mongering. THAT is the issue, the electorate at large were ill-educated on what they were voting on. If this had been a well informed, factually based vote, and the same result happened, if there was none of this "oh we shouldn't have said that, that was a mistake" and "we can't actually guarantee what we said we could" then my opinion and reaction to this would be very different. But the fact of the matter is, it's not like that. This whole thing was at best, a sham.

 

[Greenback]

The problem is that it's become extremely clear that an awful lot of people voted the way they did because of deliberate deception, lies, propaganda and fear mongering. THAT is the issue, the electorate at large were ill-educated on what they were voting on. If this had been a well informed, factually based vote, and the same result happened, if there was none of this "oh we shouldn't have said that, that was a mistake" and "we can't actually guarantee what we said we could" then my opinion and reaction to this would be very different. But the fact of the matter is, it's not like that. This whole thing was at best, a sham.

The lies and fear mongering were on both sides, and some of what was said could be done, the money could go to the NHS it's down to the government in power, we could get control of those coming in if those doing the negotiations don't just bend over backwards.
If people voted not knowing that when those saying things aren't in power and only those in power can do things maybe they should have the vote taken away.
And not all can be blamed on the leave side the remain as I have said did nothing to make an argument to stay in the EU,

And just for funnies I saw a video the other day a girl voted to remain because she didn't want to lose free travel, she actually thought free movement meant it was cash free

 

[Tolemac]

And just for funnies I saw a video the other day a girl voted to remain because she didn't want to lose free travel, she actually thought free movement meant it was cash free

We do get them

 

[remember300]

Not all "old people" are gay bashing homofobes! they are also not all womanisers and all the nasty things from the past. Are you saying that its thanks to the EU an heavy against EU WOMAN Prime minister ... Did the EU abolish slavery in America? Did the EU put a Black man in power in America. No people change compassion happens no matter what you will always have your lefties and righties that comes with politics but the average person does not care if the person sitting next to them on the train is gay, different skin, rich... they just want to get there on time.

All this hate is always what gets brought forward. Just this is what people think the EU is all for not the fact they want a giant army and take everyones money?

What is most damaging to our country right now is the politicians taking to long. Hoping someone will save them... when thats their job.

 

[Greenback]

Not all "old people" are gay bashing homofobes! they are also not all womanisers and all the nasty things from the past. Are you saying that its thanks to the EU an heavy against EU WOMAN Prime minister ... Did the EU abolish slavery in America? Did the EU put a Black man in power in America. No people change compassion happens no matter what you will always have your lefties and righties that comes with politics but the average person does not care if the person sitting next to them on the train is gay, different skin, rich... they just want to get there on time.

All this hate is always what gets brought forward. Just this is what people think the EU is all for not the fact they want a giant army and take everyones money?

What is most damaging to our country right now is the politicians taking to long. Hoping someone will save them... when thats their job.

I think you need to go back and read Sub's post, he said "some" and to and extent he is right but I'd go there is more anti-gay from the religious than the old

 

[SPS]

Let's not start accusing groups people of being homophobic and racist please.

 

[remember300]

Sorry was not accusing you i was thinking of another video i watched which annoyed me to no end ... lol.

I was just saying that was why people said about the oldies ...

And we cant bring religion into this or we will get a big mess! lol

 

[Warchild]

Let's not start accusing groups people of being homophobic and racist please.

My grandfather was and so was my dad. It was typical in their generation so believe it or not, I would be more inclined to say "some" were not racist or homophobic instead of otherway around

It wasn't until the likes of Linford Christie came alone that my father changed his mentality and became proud of the success that came out of the UK regardless of colour. It's not a great thing to admit, but that is how he was brought up.

But don't you agree that racism against skin colour is becoming a thing of the past? All I see these days is racial prejudice towards religions, or nations

 

[Greenback]

My grandfather was and so was my dad. It was typical in their generation so believe it or not, I would be more inclined to say "some" were not racist or homophobic instead of otherway around

It wasn't until the likes of Linford Christie came alone that my father changed his mentality and became proud of the success that came out of the UK regardless of colour. It's not a great thing to admit, but that is how he was brought up.

But don't you agree that racism against skin colour is becoming a thing of the past? All I see these days is racial prejudice towards religions, or nations

I would say the Government hasn't helped with some of the things that have happened,
Like when Polish first came over here they were given preferential treatment to council houses, I know it's said they weren't, but when 2 families get a house with in a month and me and my mrs were waiting 2 years and she is disabled we were band B 2nd to highest it sort of doesn't seem that way. We ended up renting privately and have to top up the rent we pay
Or the large family coming here and getting large £1000 a week rent and English families have to make do with 3 bedroom houses.
It creates a them and us situation, which is why I say when you have a part of the population that feel 3rd class in their own country, some will blame the Government but a lot will blame those that seem to get the treatment and that causes racial tension

 

[Warchild]

I would say the Government hasn't helped with some of the things that have happened,
Like when Polish first came over here they were given preferential treatment to council houses, I know it's said they weren't, but when 2 families get a house with in a month and me and my mrs were waiting 2 years and she is disabled we were band B 2nd to highest it sort of doesn't seem that way. We ended up renting privately and have to top up the rent we pay
Or the large family coming here and getting large £1000 a week rent and English families have to make do with 3 bedroom houses.
It creates a them and us situation, which is why I say when you have a part of the population that feel 3rd class in their own country, some will blame the Government but a lot will blame those that seem to get the treatment and that causes racial tension

What do you mean when polish first came over here? In the 40s ?

 

[SuB]

Let's not start accusing groups people of being homophobic and racist please.

I'm not generalising, and as pointed out, I'm not saying 'all', I'm talking from experience. My Mum's parents are extremely homophobic, they basically cut my sister off for being in a same-sex relationship. But that's not because of being far-right, it's because that's just accepted, normal behaivior for their generation. Old-school Christian values, old school Catholic values and stuff.

If even the current Pope can condemn homophobia the way he is doing, that says a lot for how much the world has and is changing. unfortunately there is a generation of people in this country that has a large percentage of people in it, that are stuck on their values. That's fine, I accept that. I can't imagine changing what I believe after 50-60 years of it being drilled into my subconscious.

All the points made above about both sides doing stuff, that's exactly the point. It was all bullcrap, all of it. The electorate were not educated sufficiently on the problem, the cause, or the solution. And I don't believe the vote is fair because of that, the result is what it is, I would accept it if as I say the whole thing wasn't such a sh*tshow.

Sorry if spelling mistakes or rushed response, at work and limited time but want to reply

 

[barnsley]

What is peoples opinions on the Lib Dems coming out as a pro-eu equivalent of UKIP? I honestly don't get why people are so upset about it.