We're out out - The Brexit Thread

People calling for the country to unite under brexit seem to underestimate quite how angry people who voted remain are.

100% this.

The vote was not a landslide win, it was a difference of 4%... Let that sink in.. 4.. % difference. Yes that equates to millions of people but as a percentage that's nothing.

It BARELY made it to Leave and people are expecting the other 48% of the country to just accept the outcome... drop all their emotional, financial, and future investments in the vote and the EU. Be that family, friends, business or pleasure.. and accept the pocket extreme racism that's going on and tell all their European Friends 'tough sh*t that's how the vote went'... I'm sorry but sod that, I for one, will fight it until I have no other option. Just look at what it's done to the GBP already...

This entire referendum has been a sham, lies, misinformation, a complete lack of educating the electorate and that was entirely for the purpose of getting them to vote emotionally and not using the facts. I bet if they had seen what the outcome would be and the way the Leave camp are acting post-win, they would not have voted for them. This turned into a vote for racism and against a failed Tory leadership, which despite Cameron's best efforts to make it not about that, it was.

The country is reeling from this, how do people not see it? How can you expect us to just unite under this racist, separatist banner that's already causing good people to live in fear in our home?

It's alright, f*ck it, just close the doors on them right? Because we're *so* English... People who voted Leave may not be racist, but they are 100% enabling and rationalising the stuff the extreme racists are doing right now.

I'm disgusted and embarrassed by the behaviour of our country post-vote, there is no justification for it.
 
I think alot of those votes were against our Government, not necessarily the EU (sounds weird I know). Then again I'm sure there was a fair share of 'immigrants will take all your jobs'.

Exactly. 99% of leave voters don't even know what the EU has done since we've been in it, but they are using it as a scapegoat instead of blaming our own government.
There are a small percentage of legitimate leave voters but that would not be enough to win the referendum.

Either way, they need to act on the leave or announce that we're not leaving.
 
Just found this, it pretty much sums up how I, and many others, feel right now.

Source: https://katyboo1.wordpress.com/2016/06/27/happy-now/

Happy Now?
Posted on June 27, 2016 | 327 Comments


It is day four in the Big Brexit house.

I had hoped after Friday’s absolute catastrophe of a day that the country might somehow magically rally over the weekend. I mean, when you plunge your country into possible ruin on the promise of a golden future that will allow it to rise like a phoenix from the flames, you have a plan, right?

As it turns out, you don’t. The only person that seems to have any plan at all, and be acting on it rather than just spouting meaningless Churchillian rhetoric is Nicola Sturgeon, and I can’t even vote for her.

I was distraught and angry on Friday. I had hoped to feel better by today. Instead I am running on barely controlled rage and getting more enraged by the moment.

Here are a few things I am furious about:

Firstly, leave voters telling me to calm down. I’m sorry, many of you are my friends and family but you do not get to say this. I’m not angry at you individually. I’m angry at where we are and more, I’m incandescent at the way we got here. I have a right to be angry. I’m in the boat with you and I don’t like where we’re going. I have very little option with regard to getting out of the boat, and I’d feel happier if someone was actually steering it, but they’re not. I’m sorry if my anger makes you uncomfortable, but you have the choice to not to speak to me, or unfriend me if you feel better doing that. Please do, because I don’t think I’m going to get any less angry for quite some time.

Secondly, people telling me that this is democracy and I have to live with it. You know what? The referendum vote was simply one part of the democratic process, and as I keep mentioning to those who conveniently forget it, it was ‘Advisory,’ not legally binding. The vote itself is not ‘democracy’. Democracy doesn’t happen on one day for one vote and then go away again. Democracy is an ongoing process in which we are free to express ourselves however we see fit as long as we do not descend into hate speech (which I haven’t). Democracy is part of a process and is happening all the time. I have the democratic right to fight against decisions made on my behalf that I don’t like, and I don’t like this one, so I am fighting it every step of the way. Do not throw the word democracy in my face. It is not a trump card.

Thirdly, people telling me that what we have to do now is ‘pull together’ to ‘make this country great.’ Not one single person who has chastised me with the ‘pulling together’ line has actually answered me when I’ve asked how they’re going to do that. Unless you’re a millionaire or a business owner, or a politician, there are very few ways you can ‘pull together’ unless you’re going to get politically active. Like the term ‘democracy,’ it is being used in a way that is actually meaningless. Mostly, as far as I can see it is being used as short hand for ‘Don’t blame me. Don’t ask me. Don’t question me. I need to feel better about this and your questions are stopping me doing that.’ Sorry, not buying it. Tell me how you’re genuinely going to help our country ‘pull together’ and I’ll listen. Otherwise please shut up.

And I am doing something. I have joined a political party. I have joined the electoral reform society. I am attending a solidarity rally tomorrow for our city. I have signed petitions, however futile they might seem. I am taking action. I am attempting to get us out of this . I am reading everything I can find across every media source I can get to educate myself about what is happening to my country. I’m not cherry picking what I want to see and turning a blind eye to everything else.

What are you doing?

Fourthly, to the people who have actually said: ‘Enough now. I’m bored of this.’ Did you really think it would all be done and dusted by Friday tea time? As I said in my last post, this is the beginning of something that is going to have seismic repercussions for our country for years. Prepare to be bored witless, and frankly, don’t complain to me. I don’t have time to be bored. I’m too busy being horrified and upset.

Fifthly. Please, please don’t repeatedly tell me we are ‘Free’ now. We are not free. We are still in the EU, and with nobody willing to pull the trigger on article fifty, we may well be there for a good deal longer. Even if we had done it on Friday, please tell me how much freer you are, in real terms. If you can’t point to anything, please feel free to shut up. And what are you doing with that precious new freedom? Please enlighten me.

Sixthly: I am watching, over the last few days, in absolute horror as the far right start to move out of the shadows and back into centre stage again. My time line has been pinging with people reporting hate crime. There’s even a Twitter feed for it where they are gathering information in order to report it. It’s appearing in reports on my community Facebook page. It’s in my daughter’s school. It’s like someone took the lid off Pandora’s Box. Don’t tell me I’m exaggerating. Don’t tell me that reports can be twisted. Maybe they can, but it’s being taken seriously enough by everyone that matters and it is tabled for discussion in the House of Commons this week. It’s not as if they haven’t got other things to talk about. It’s happening and I’m appalled but sadly, not surprised.

Apropos of this, please do not tell me: ‘I’m not a racist’ if you voted leave. I get that, but I said that it would open the door to the far right, and it has and to pretend it hasn’t, and to not look or think about it is cowardly. And to say ‘I’m not a racist,’ is to imply that I’m making all this about you. I’m not, but I have a right to get angry and upset about the consequences of a decision you were a part of, however noble your intentions.

Seventhly, to the people who are saying we are now able to govern ourselves and we are free of the unelected shackles of Brussels dictating to us. Farage is unelected. Gove/Boris or whoever takes over from Cameron will be unelected. The House of Lords is unelected. The queen, who keeps being wheeled out as a symbol of our great democracy for reasons I cannot understand, is unelected. You are being taken into the future by largely unelected wits who have already lied to you and broken every promise you gave them power for. Do not talk to me about the shackles of Brussels.

Eighthly gets several paragraphs because it’s such a cluster.

Our government has imploded in on itself. Cameron made one, cowardly speech on Friday and bailed on us. Now most of the conservatives are too busy fighting about who is going to be the inheritor of the steaming turd bequeathed by Cameron to do anything useful for us.

George Osborne, who only came out of hiding this morning and said ‘the economy is strong.’ This is not borne out in the annuities market crashing, RBS and Barclays suspending trading and the pound dropping like a stone, again. So for all those of you who smilingly told me that everything was fine and it was all over by Friday tea time, what say you now?

And I reiterate. This is only the start.

Boris finally emerging yesterday. His statement was not a statement, it was an article he wrote because that’s his job, and he got paid £5,000 to do it. He has admitted that he wants to stay in Europe, however Europe will have him. This means that we go to the single market or EEA. This means, for those of you who don’t know by now, that we pay the same amount into the EU as we have done previously in order to trade with them. It means that we still have to comply with all their trading regulations. It means that we still have to allow freedom of movement across borders. The one thing it doesn’t mean is that we get to keep our veto. So we have gambled everything for less. None of the things the leavers want will happen, but we will also be much worse off in almost every conceivable way. This basically means that what the leave campaigners fought for and won, was Boris’ ambition to run the country, not the ‘freedom’ of the nation.

Daniel Hannan, a major player in the leave campaign who voted to be ‘tough’ on immigration, has now back tracked on his promise and actually left twitter for a month because he’s exhausted from campaigning. How convenient. I already covered the lies about the £350 million, which have become more and more byzantine as the weekend has progressed.

Then there’s the implosion of the Labour party under Corbyn with MPs resigning in droves from his cabinet and a vote of no confidence expected any moment. I have seen both sides of the argument on Twitter and I am ashamed of them all. It smacks of fiddling while Rome burns.

In the meantime, Farage has suggested that the sensible thing to do would be to sack Mark Carney, the head of the Bank of England because he was too partisan before the referendum. Mark Carney, as far as I can see, is the only thing standing between us and having to wheel our pay home at lunch time in a barrow, and spend it before tea time to cheat devaluation. The only reason the markets rallied on Friday was because he’d stashed £250 billion down the sock drawer and waved it around a bit. It wasn’t because the markets had confidence in us, it was because he showed them the money.

And they are playing at this. None of them are making decisions. None of them are doing anything. Our country is a laughing stock, our economy is in free fall and our government has washed its hands of us in favour of stabbing each other in the back.

I’m glad to say there is no ninthly and tenthly, but at the rate we’re going, there will be by tea time.
 
Just found this, it pretty much sums up how I, and many others, feel right now.

Source: https://katyboo1.wordpress.com/2016/06/27/happy-now/

I will be completely honest, this is more or less exactly how I feel.

Right now Brexit looks like we will stay exactly the same but we lose our power in the EU.

We are losing our ability to influence EU policy and open borders and trade regulations will remain the same.

The "taking back control" and taking back that "EU money" have already been proven to be lies.

The lies told during this campaign need to be addressed and such a farce should never be allowed to happen again.

I have nothing against anyone regardless of how they voted, but knowingly lying to the electorate is wrong on so many levels and in my opinion should be illegal
 
Just found this, it pretty much sums up how I, and many others, feel right now.

Source: https://katyboo1.wordpress.com/2016/06/27/happy-now/

The first 4 I'd go with if the remain had won the leave would be hearing exactly the same from them.

5: A Government that had so little thought of the public, they assumed we would do as we are told and no plan in case we didn't

6: with a generation of entitles on twitter with claims a man looking at a woman on the street is rape, i'd like more proof of this sudden rise in racism

7-8: refer back to 5:

but knowingly lying to the electorate is wrong on so many levels and in my opinion should be illegal

after every general election our jails would be full
 
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5: A Government that had so little thought of the public, they assumed we would do as we are told and no plan in case we didn't
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Let me rephrase that. A government which told you what you were doing was stupid, you did it anyways and now you expect that same government you didn't listen to earlier to fix your mess. You expect the remain people to implement the dumb ideas the leave people had because they don't have a plan for their own vision and somehow make it all work out.
 
The first 4 I'd go with if the remain had won the leave would be hearing exactly the same from them.

5: A Government that had so little thought of the public, they assumed we would do as we are told and no plan in case we didn't

6: with a generation of entitles on twitter with claims a man looking at a woman on the street is rape, i'd like more proof of this sudden rise in racism

7-8: refer back to 5:

The rise in racism is real, the polish Embassy UK twitter account Alone has posted about several incidents so far.

https://twitter.com/PolishEmbassyUK

The few racists and xenophobes in this country feel validated by this vote and on longer feel that they need to hide it.
 
Let me rephrase that. A government which told you what you were doing was stupid, you did it anyways and now you expect that same government you didn't listen to earlier to fix your mess. You expect the remain people to implement the dumb ideas the leave people had because they don't have a plan for their own vision and somehow make it all work out.

Who did the Referendum?
Do you think if they thought for a single second they wouldn't get the remain vote they would of done it
if we have a government that doesn't want to act or be honest and say we don't care then lets have an election and get a leader in who has a backbone, the lib-dems have said they will stay in the Eu they have been Honest.
Farage has no power it's down to the Government who instigated this situation I don't remember me holding a gun to Camorons head to hold the referendum, he could of just ignored it untill 2020 got unelected and let the next idiot decide. so no it's not all our mess those in power take some responsibility, And those who the remain vote meant so much to but couldn't be bothered to vote

So a simple Election those that want to stay vote lib-dem those that want out vote ukip as the other 2 parties don't seem to know their ass from their elbow

The rise in racism is real, the polish Embassy UK twitter account Alone has posted about several incidents so far.

https://twitter.com/PolishEmbassyUK

The few racists and xenophobes in this country feel validated by this vote and on longer feel that they need to hide it.

Well that from me is not what I want to see my son plays with plenty of polish kids, i would say most who voted that way wouldn't want it either
 
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So a simple Election those that want to stay vote lib-dem those that want out vote ukip as the other 2 parties don't seem to know their ass from their elbow

I actually agree with that.

Well that from me is not what I want to see my son plays with plenty of polish kids, i would say most who voted that way wouldn't want it either

Unfortunately, it doesn't matter what you wanted, it's happening, it's everywhere and Leave voters have validated it. The ugly truth of it I'm afraid.
 
Unfortunately, it doesn't matter what you wanted, it's happening, it's everywhere and Leave voters have validated it. The ugly truth of it I'm afraid.

Sorry but that's like saying all Muslims who follow Islam validate ISIS and terrorism
 
Its disgusting that people are now using personal attacks at others because of their race, this kind of treatment cannot be justified or allowed ever.
Sad that such idiots feel they have a right do it but its not neccessarily the fault of leave voters.
Yes I voted to Leave yes I am glad and happy I voted that way and no I will not say why I voted, I dont have to justify myself in that regard.

I have several friends who are from other countries within and outside of Europe and I am most definately not racist. Seem one cannot have an opinion these days without being branded xenophobic racist or one of the other various labels people use when they do not like another persons opinion.

The pound will recover its has done before and already today (go look at the finance sections at close of buisness) has recovered a little. It is early days yet and the bitching and infighting of labour and tory is not helping any.
 
The pound will recover its has done before and already today (go look at the finance sections at close of buisness) has recovered a little. It is early days yet and the bitching and infighting of labour and tory is not helping any.

It closes higher but it is tanking every day mid market. Many of us here have been taking advantage of this against the dollar. Its still volatile as f**k. Mid market it dropped to 1.328 to the dollar.
 
Well i voted out, and i voted out for 1 reason.

i saw the question "do you want to remain" as:
are the benefits of being in the EU worth sacrificing your right to vote on things that affect you.

And that's a simple answer of no.
im in wales, north wales to be precise and we were given substantial EU money every year.
But if you cant vote the people in charge of the thing out because you don't agree with them, then its not a democracy. and that is all that matters in the entire debate to me.

now you can argue money. argue migration. argue jobs.. you can argue what you want to. there are pros and cons on both sides.
But you cant put a value on democracy, so i voted out and would vote out again.

I dont see why so many wars were fought to bring a government to this country. then to give working people the right to vote, then to give women the right to vote. and then more wars were fought to keep that right intact. if we are just going to let the eu decide things and stop us passing laws or over ruling our decisions.
If we are just going to do that. then we may as well re instate the monarchy and get rid of parliament entirely.
because honestly even that would be better as the monarchy would at least have some thought of the uk as a whole.
And i really doubt the monarchy would have made deals with the eu to move industrial and fishing areas out of the uk to more central European locations in exchange for subsidies, whilst at the same time paying a membership fee, for the privilege of trading at a loos with the eu due to tarifs imposed by the eu which we could not prevent, and at the same time being unable to impose tariffs on imports to the uk because the eu prevented it.

As for farage.. the man is an idiot. and i would never vote for ukip. but i would always vote out of the eu unless they were to give the people of the member countrys a vote on the rules.
I dont imagine that we would get the result we wanted for most of the rules. but atleast it would have been democratic.
 
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6: with a generation of entitles on twitter with claims a man looking at a woman on the street is rape, i'd like more proof of this sudden rise in racism

after every general election our jails would be full

The National Police Chief's Council good enough? There has been a rise, probably because ultra nationalist groups have tended to hate the EU and it will give them a sense that they are less fringe than they are. Not Brexits fault really that fringe groups (people forget that the ultra left also don't like the EU) share the same view. It'll be painted as so by """""news""""" sites such as the huffington post.

Good job with painting an entire generation the same colour. You don't like it when brexit gets stereotyped (which no one has done on here) so please don't do the same.


This thread has been the most civil discussion I've participated in about the EU so far. Good job lads :D
 
The National Police Chief's Council good enough? There has been a rise, probably because ultra nationalist groups have tended to hate the EU and it will give them a sense that they are less fringe than they are. Not Brexits fault really that fringe groups (people forget that the ultra left also don't like the EU) share the same view. It'll be painted as so by """""news""""" sites such as the huffington post.

Good job with painting an entire generation the same colour. You don't like it when brexit gets stereotyped (which no one has done on here) so please don't do the same.


This thread has been the most civil discussion I've participated in about the EU so far. Good job lads :D

I wouldn't call the Ultra Nationalist groups fringe groups, I would call them Farage Groups.
 
Now I'm not going to argue that the number of incidents has gone up, but I'd suggests that some that wouldn't have been reported on before brexit are now making news just to get that narrative across, or 1 incident being reported in 3 places turning into 3 different incidents. Maybe even some of those that want to remain doing or reporting things in the hope of getting a 2nd referendum or a complete overturn of the first is not beyond a possibility
Not saying that incidents b4 are any less bad then those after.

P.s maybe I just go to the wrong parts of Twitter, I don't have an account on it anymore, for my generalisation I apologise.
 
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