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[Matt_Hirst]

My new, secondhand, Vapochill Classic should be arriving on Friday, is there anything I need to do to it or with it before I hook it up and plug it in?

Does anyone have a manual for one of these?

regards,

Matt

P.S. What is involved with swapping the heads from a socket A to 939? Can a kit be bought?

 

[K404]

Hey! A kit can be bought, yes. i`ll PM you a couple links because other traders should not be publicly mentioned when the future purchase of goods is being discussed

The instructions that come with the A64 kit are pretty good. I changed the head on a Vapo from Socket A to 939. that was my first foray into phase-change, and if I managed it, so can you

theres an instruction manual on the asetek site (www.asetek.com) you can download. They also have a great help forum. Master_G spends quality time there, so between here and there, he`ll be able to help ya one way or another.

What PSU are you using? If you`re using a 12V compressor (which you will be for this) you want a PSU with a single +12V rail of at least 28A. If you`re not....the system wont boot due to lack of power.

Kenny

 

[Matt_Hirst]

K404,

Thanks for the links, most appreciated.

I have updated my sig with my main rig list.

regards,

Matt

 

[K404]

nae bother

AFAIK, the Hiper PSUs are split-rail. This could be a problem. Trying the Vapo rig with that installed shouldnt hurt anything, but I dont think it`ll work. Do you have any mates nearby who have single-Rail PSUs?

I predict 2850-2900 with that Winnie under phase So you`ll hit 3GHz + coz i`m hardly ever right

K

 

[Matt_Hirst]

K404,

I have a few differnt PSU's lying around at work, will have a look and see what they are.

Just looked, Enermax Noisetaker 485 Watt, couple of Antec units 300, 350 and a 400 watt unit.

regards,

Matt

 

[stocky]

The enermax also has split 12V rail, with 20A I think

Tagan, OCZ, PCP&C, Antec off the top, all do a beefy single rail 12V PSU

 

[Master_G]

Several PSUs is good, should be able to run with 2 PSUs then you dont have to worry about compatability, as long as one has a reasonable single 12V rail to run the vapochill on.

G

 

[maverik-sg1]

You need a 15a 12v rail I do believe, but higher is better the TAGAN units are very good for this - and if you are on a sktA set-up the 480w unit should suffice.

Although you can't go wrong with a PCP&P510 SLI DLX from Phil, 36a in a single rail and the most stable on the market today.

My original mach was run off an OCZ Powerstream 520w when I was back in the prescott days.

Hope this helps.

Mav

 

[K404]

I gotta disagree to an extent. I had an Enermax Noisetaker 600 Which IIRC had 17 and 18A on the +12V rails, but my computer wouldnt boot when the Vapo was installed. The rig had an A64CPU and mobo, 2x512RAM, 6600GT, 2xoptical and one HDD for the rest of the components. I think it might have something to do with the ATX revision and what else is connected the the +12V rail with the ATX plug, but I`d recommend a single-rail SPU anytime. The Tagan 480 (28A) or the PCP+C 510 (34A) are the best...i`ve had both. Both great PSUs.

 

[Master_G]

A 404 classic will need about the same or slightly more than a XE, so you are looking probably about 12A or slightly more dedicated to it.

Best PSUs, as has been said:

Tagan Black 480W - 28A

OCZ Powerstream 520W - 33A

PCP&C 510 - 34A

Also you can get a random PSU with a reasonable single 12V rail, run the Vapochill off that and then run the rest of the system off a stronger, split rail PSU.

G

 

[Matt_Hirst]

Thanx for your help again guy's, hopefully the Vapo unit will be here tommorow and I'll have loads of new questions then.

regards,

Matt

P.S. Water cooling setup should also hopefully be here tommorow, woohoo new toys!

 

[Matt_Hirst]

Posted a similar question on another frum and a guy has come back saying the unit might not have enough power to cool an A64 succesfully.

Am I going to be wasting my time with this guy's - be honest - is it a case of sell it on and recoup the cash laid out and put it towards a Mach 2 GT?

Regards,

Matt

P.S. This sounds rather defeatist to sell it on without giving it a try but don't want to be messing around with something that aint going to amount to much.

 

[maverik-sg1]

Posted a similar question on another frum and a guy has come back saying the unit might not have enough power to cool an A64 succesfully.

Am I going to be wasting my time with this guy's - be honest - is it a case of sell it on and recoup the cash laid out and put it towards a Mach 2 GT?

Regards,

Matt

P.S. This sounds rather defeatist to sell it on without giving it a try but don't want to be messing around with something that aint going to amount to much.

I thought the plan was to mess around and get used to phase using this kit?

To put it bluntly - you got a phase unit that will provide better cooling than water so although you wont reach 'out of this world' clocks - they will still be higher than with water and at the price you paid you should be more than pleased.

Not sure of the re-gas potential but if there is some, then thats another upgrade option.

I think it's fair to say you wont lose money on it and you'll enjoy getting used to using a phase cooler at a price thats right.

Have a play and enjoy it my friend.

Mav

 

[stocky]

If you have the cash and confidence to move to a MACHII it would be an improvement. It would also mean you wouldn't need such a hefty PSU, as the MACHII has its own power.

You could play with the one you have, then if you decide you like phase change and want greater overclocks then upgrade to a MACHII...

 

[K404]

I`d say a Vapo is a good place to start with phase cooling- they`re (I found) pretty forgiving when it comes to using them. A Vapo regassed to R404 will cool an A64 without too much bother- a Vapo PE held my Winchester at -5 to -10 at 2850+MHz, and that was in mid-summer.

 

[Matt_Hirst]

Mav,

Plan was to do that, as I am new to this am just seeking advice from all courts and this was what has been said on another forum.

Realisticly am looking at £80 for a new head, £££'s for a power supply, when in theory a better solution would be a mach 2 unit that can be had for around £300 secondhand.

It's like anything new that you are unsure of, you are alright whilst getting possitive news but then someone comes along and gives a bit of negative and you start to question if it was the right decision you have made.

K404,

Thanx for all your advice - I will end up giving this unit a go when it turns up - assuming I can find a decent power supply for it.

regards,

Matt

 

[maverik-sg1]

I see your point Matt.

It's also very possible that the Hiper unit will be good enough so think positive and give it a try dude - the 2nd worst thing that can happen is that the PSU might shut down from overload or worst case burn out - thats what RMA's are for

Kenny might have had a rogue vapo unit - yours could just sale through no probs with what you have.

However - If that does happen you can then make the purchase of the PSU with future-proofing in mind. The PSU is the most important piece of hardware your ever buy and is often overlooked.

You know you wanna give it a try

Mav

 

[Matt_Hirst]

Mav,

Yeah I do LOL, but to compound the problem I have been offered the chance to buy a Mach 2 ST that I was bidding on Ebay for.

How would an ST compare to the Vapochill? By the way the vapo arrived yesterday and is sat in the garage until I find a decent power supply.

regards,

Matt

 

[Matt_Hirst]

Scrap having the offer of the ST as the guy has just pulled out of the deal.

regards,

Matt

P.S. What sort of money am I looking for a decent power supply for this vapo unit?

 

[maverik-sg1]

To be honest Matt - I think you might be okay with what you have now, only one way to find out - but if your gonna invest a new PSU as far as rock solid stability out the box there's only the PCP&C to go for, the only decision you have to make is which size?

But try what you have first you might be okay.

Mav