Smoking Sucks !

[Dicehunter]

So today my 75 year old aunt was diagnosed with numerous forms of cancer, So many infact that the doctor was slightly taken back by it -

-Cervical cancer
-Breast cancer
-Lung cancer
-Tongue cancer
-Throat cancer

She started smoking when she was 40, Weird age to start, And has routinely smoked 20 cigarettes per day, 16 years ago I lost my younger aunt to emphysema directly caused by smoking, This should've been a warning to my still living aunt, Was it ? Nope, Kept inhaling that burned plant matter.

My aunts daughter, My cousin, Still smokes, She's 40, Has losing an aunt to smoking and now about to lose her mother to smoking made her wake up ? Nope not 1 iota.

In general my family is long lived, Routinely living to 95+, Minus the few victims of medical malpractice, So those in our family that smoke have willingly decided to cut 20 or more years off their lives.

I've always hated smoking, It stinks, Makes people stink, Ruins your teeth, Destroys collagen in your face which makes you age beyond your years and ultimately kills, Most of the time in horribly painful ways yet people love shortening their lives by multiple decades and dying horribly, People are so stupid.

If anyone here smokes, Please try and stop, It's not fashionable, It doesn't make you look cool and it will shorten your life by multiple decades.

 

[Excalabur50]

I managed to quite years ago best thing I ever did and I was a heavy smoker too, I needed a poultice at the back of my neck to help me draw on them �� and it was easy to give up I did it heaps of times, but in all seriousness it was hard to give up but I found the most important thing was you really have to want to give them up or anything you do is a waste of time.
For those who do still smoke try and quit and seek medical help if you need it to help you kick the habit once and for all as Nicotine is more addictive than Heroin.

 

[Dark NighT]

I smoked for 19 years total, when my mom lost her friend due to smoking and seeing him suffer over the years made me question my own motives and reasons, so i decided to prepare to quit, bought a white nzxt h440 so that i'd stop smoking inside so it doesnt go yellow, which led to less smoking, did that for a while and then when i was mentally ready to go, i quit cold turkey and have been clean for 5 years.


It's a horrible addiction that i regret the most of all my choices in life, losing people to it and seeing people suffer at later age is such a hard thing to see, sorry to hear about your aunt Dice.

 

[Dawelio]

I've recieved so much negativity from colleagues before for being a healthy person, ie I don't smoke, drink at all nor do any sort of tobacco. I am truly happy for it today

 

[Kaapstad]

Very sorry to hear about your Aunt.

I have been very anti smoking all my life even as a child in the early 1960s.

One thing that has always been difficult is the amount of negativity that smokers give anyone who don't agree with them.

 

[Warchild]

Very sorry to hear about your Aunt.

I have been very anti smoking all my life even as a child in the early 1960s.

One thing that has always been difficult is the amount of negativity that smokers give anyone who don't agree with them.

These days that happens with literally anyone who you dont agree with.

Vegan addicts, smokers, vapers, health fanatics, people who binge on junk while sitting on the couch, trump supporters, list goes on...

We have the internet to thank for that.

 

[AlienALX]

It's not the fault of the internet. Or the smokers, vapers, health fanatics and etc. It's the fault of people being selfish. There are ways to enjoy anything you do, without pushing it down the throats of others. But people are so "me me me me" these days that they have vanished into the dark depths of their own assholes.

It doesn't matter where you go, or what you do, there's some idiot who wants to force their opinions and views onto others.

I used to smoke. I did not enjoy it at all. I enjoyed smoking weed (well, cannabis I hated weed). I did not enjoy smoking. It made me sick, I got constant chest infections and toward the end could not even climb a set of stairs.

So why, knowing full well what it was doing to me, did I not pack it in? because nicotine is more addictive than any other drug I have taken. I can take morphine and forget all about it the next day. I have a supply of pure co codamol that is not available anywhere and I use it when I feel like it. Like, when my knees are aching so bad I can barely walk. Then I will take some, but never repeat it. And these are opioids I use at my leisure, and have never had a problem with.

Nicotine though? people know what smoking is doing to them. They can feel it, they can see it. They don't stop. Even when they are dying they carry on, that is how addictive that is. Some will be woken by a scare (family member dying or what not) but most won't. My cousin's dad died of lung cancer about 5 years back, my cousin still smokes like a train.

Me? I switched to vape. I quite enjoy it. Mostly because I can actually breathe now, and do things I could not do when I smoked heavily. However, yet again I am totally addicted to vaping and could not stop. That is how addictive nicotine is.

That said I rarely vape when I am outside unless my anxiety is bad and I will usually sit somewhere away from any one.

Right now I am trying to find that balance between everything in moderation. Eating, riding, getting the f**k out of my prison. And I have been doing well. I have had one day off from riding at least 5 miles a day in the past 10 days and that was because I pulled a calf and had the worst cramp ever

Let's face it PCs ain't been much fun of late. Plus I feel good. So there's that !

 

[hmmblah]

Sorry about your aunt, Dice, that really sucks. My father was diagnosed with COPD about 2 years ago. He can't reverse it, but if he stopped smoking he might be able to slow it. Has he stopped or cut back on smoking though?....Nope. He's been smoking since he was a teenager and is in his mid 60s now. My wife's parents are going to be in the same boat.

What really gets me though, is the people who start smoking today. I get that nicotine is highly addictive, but knowing what smoking can do to you, why does anyone start? I guess the same could be said for any drug. For me though it's the smell and the $$$ that keeps me away from smoking.

 

[AlienALX]

Yeah it makes me wonder tbh. Like, I see kids smoking on the beach all the time and I think "WTF? people actually smoke still?".

 

[Excalabur50]

What gets me though is the hypocrisy of everything, over here is Australia our Government has said bad for you so we'll put the price up, but the supermarkets like Coles if I go to the express lane they will ignore you and serve people waiting for cigs and tobacco first, none of them really give a ratsarse about your health it's all about how much they can milk you for!

 

[Dicehunter]

Thanks peeps, I've smoked cigars in the past but that's like a 2-3 times per year thing at get togethers, Parties etc... You don't breathe in and it's not a habit.

The good news is my cousin has now stopped smoking

 

[AlienALX]

What gets me though is the hypocrisy of everything, over here is Australia our Government has said bad for you so we'll put the price up, but the supermarkets like Coles if I go to the express lane they will ignore you and serve people waiting for cigs and tobacco first, none of them really give a ratsarse about your health it's all about how much they can milk you for!

IDK how your health system works, but trust me when I say people here in the UK are paying for when they need £200k worth of treatment when they inevitably die slowly from smoking.

That is why they put the price up. The profit for the tobacco industry and sellers has not gone up, the taxes on them has. Which in the UK goes to the govt and NHS.

If people realised what healthcare cost they wouldn't complain so much tbh.

 

[Greenback]

About 75-80% of the price in the UK is tax,

 

[Dicehunter]

Was talking with the doctor today, My aunt has also suffered a major stroke recently and as of 2 days ago has gone completely blind due to the stroke, The cancer has also spread to her liver.

I spoke with the doctor at length and she said and I quote -

"While smoking is bad, Really bloody bad and the root cause of most strokes and cancers, We are finding out more and more that alcohol plays a much bigger role in cancer than we previously thought, Based on newer research it's really not that far behind smoking in terms of cancer risk, Especially in females"

She said we should expect her maybe to last 2-3 more months before her body gives out.

With more and more info coming out that ingesting certain things leads to a horrible death you'd think more and more people would wise up and choose to live 2-3 decades longer, But nope, Most humans are Grade-A idiots.

 

[Dawelio]

Was talking with the doctor today, My aunt has also suffered a major stroke recently and as of 2 days ago has gone completely blind due to the stroke, The cancer has also spread to her liver.

I spoke with the doctor at length and she said and I quote -

"While smoking is bad, Really bloody bad and the root cause of most strokes and cancers, We are finding out more and more that alcohol plays a much bigger role in cancer than we previously thought, Based on newer research it's really not that far behind smoking in terms of cancer risk, Especially in females"

She said we should expect her maybe to last 2-3 more months before her body gives out.

With more and more info coming out that ingesting certain things leads to a horrible death you'd think more and more people would wise up and choose to live 2-3 decades longer, But nope, Most humans are Grade-A idiots.

The problem is that this sort of information doesn't really get out to the general public, not in the way that actually has an impact.

Just look at Covid and the restrictions. In my country they are called "recommendations" when they talk in "restrictions" terms. But due they are just that, recommendations, it means people don't HAVE to follow them and hence they don't. Hence the spread continues and doesn't go down.

People are down right idiots in general in my opinion.

 

[NeverBackDown]

The problem is that this sort of information doesn't really get out to the general public, not in the way that actually has an impact.

Just look at Covid and the restrictions. In my country they are called "recommendations" when they talk in "restrictions" terms. But due they are just that, recommendations, it means people don't HAVE to follow them and hence they don't. Hence the spread continues and doesn't go down.

People are down right idiots in general in my opinion.

Are people still idiots for not following a perfectly balanced diet even though it's recommended? I don't think so. There's plenty of reasons to not want to do things that are trivial. Doesn't automatically make people idiots. You don't need to do them because it's perfectly feasible to still be healthy by not explicitly following them.


In regards to drugs/alcohol however, I have maybe 1-2 drinks a year(unless special occasion arises) and absolutely no drugs. Can't stand it. To me the money spent on it could be used for something else more important. When people say that's dumb I should have fun, I ask, what makes hurting your body fun instead of doing something actually fun like go on a hike? They say weed doesn't do anything bad nor does vape. Those are the people I consider idiots. Who are blissfully ignorant and would rather stay that way then face the truth because they use drugs and alcohol to suppress real issues in their life. Quite sad really though. Though not everybody is like that. Those that are responsible and acutely aware of their dangers I wouldn't consider idiots.


Sorry to hear about your family Dice. I wish you the best.

 

[Damien c]

Was talking with the doctor today, My aunt has also suffered a major stroke recently and as of 2 days ago has gone completely blind due to the stroke, The cancer has also spread to her liver.

I spoke with the doctor at length and she said and I quote -

"While smoking is bad, Really bloody bad and the root cause of most strokes and cancers, We are finding out more and more that alcohol plays a much bigger role in cancer than we previously thought, Based on newer research it's really not that far behind smoking in terms of cancer risk, Especially in females"

She said we should expect her maybe to last 2-3 more months before her body gives out.

With more and more info coming out that ingesting certain things leads to a horrible death you'd think more and more people would wise up and choose to live 2-3 decades longer, But nope, Most humans are Grade-A idiots.

Yes smoking is bad for you and people should quit, something I am going to do when I am ready to.

If you listened to all the "Studies" etc though about what is bad for you, then there would be next to nothing you could eat, or drink or do because it's all "bad" for you.

I remember seeing a few years ago now I think it was, a study that said "Sausages Cause Cancer" and another that said "Don't eat beef, it clogs you stomach and arteries" and there are others such as "Don't eat to much fruit each day, because they rot your teeth and cause digestive issues".

People make choices and no one and I mean no one has the right or permission to tell me or anyone else what they are and are not allowed to consume or do, unless it's something illegal, but even then just because something is illegal doesn't mean it's always bad for you etc.

The problem is people are losing the ability to make rational choices or be allowed to make a choice for themselves, because it's seen as selfish by the wider community.

I don't know if you have seen "The Orville" but there was a episode on that, where everyone had a "Social Score" and the lower it was the worse your life was iirc and iirc if it went below a certain point you were executed, I can see this world going that way in the future because, the "Wider Community" has more say over people's lives than people have themselves.

I mean Smoking is bad for you, we all know that's a given, Alchohol in proportion is not bad for you as such but when over consumed it is, Fruit and Meat is bad for you again but only if over consumed, Working Out by lifting weights, running and swimming etc is bad for you but again only if you over do it.

Should all food/water be rationed to every person on the planet because in "large" amount's it's bad for you?

Should Exercise be restricted to once or twice a week because to "much" is bad for you?

Should no one work because it causes Stress and Stress is bad for you?

How about Travel Restriction's, no going to other countries, no going to towns/cities that are to far because "Travel" is bad for you?


I know you are not calling for that sort of stuff, but the more people live in fear of "What is bad for you" the more well cowardly the world get's, you see it now with "Cannot say or do that because someone might be offended" and no I am not saying people who don't smoke etc are cowards but I am saying that if I didn't eat, drink or do anything that I am told is "bad for me" then I wouldn't leave my house ever or do/eat or drink anything because I would be scared to death of killing myself by doing that.

Yes put out material etc that shows what is bad for you etc and how to limit or stop the risk to yourself, but people have to make there own choices otherwise we might as well all live similar to how they live in North Korea.

 

[Dawelio]

Are people still idiots for not following a perfectly balanced diet even though it's recommended? I don't think so.

How you even managed to compare wether why people choose not to eat healthier, to how to follow certain restrictions in order for an deadly virus to not spread and hence not kill people, is beyond me.

What people eat is their own choice - wether or not following certain guidelines to help prevent a deadly virus to spread and potentially kill people is a completely different thing.

Wether they do not follow a healthy diet and being an idiot for it, in my eyes yes, because it doesn't affect me. But if they carry the virus and could potentially infect me and my closed ones, then hell yes they are an idiot for not following the restrictions that are in place.

This is something I thought you of all people would understand to be honest.

 

[Dicehunter]

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Well it's not living in fear it's being intelligent and not slowly poisoning yourself by inhaling burned plant matter mixed with toxic chemicals and then drinking distilled liquids, Smoking/drugs, As smoking is a drug, And alcohol are 2 of the most idiotic acts a human can willingly do to themselves.

What someone does with their body is their business... it just annoys me that people have known for a half century that smoking in the vast majority of people even moderately for long term is a death sentence that leads to a very horrible death usually fighting for air and/or in terrible agony usually 1, 2 or even 3 decades before you're meant to go, In the process causing family members a hell of a lot of grief.

Same with alcohol, People know the dangers of ingesting it and that in general it really is not good for your health yet people throw it down their throats saying "it's no harm" and "oh but it has health benefits this wine companies sponsored research proves it"......

If the human species makes it another few hundred years without a massive calamity it'll be an absolute miracle.

 

[Damien c]

Well it's not living in fear it's being intelligent and not slowly poisoning yourself by inhaling burned plant matter mixed with toxic chemicals and then drinking distilled liquids, Smoking/drugs, As smoking is a drug, And alcohol are 2 of the most idiotic acts a human can willingly do to themselves.

What someone does with their body is their business... it just annoys me that people have known for a half century that smoking in the vast majority of people even moderately for long term is a death sentence that leads to a very horrible death usually fighting for air and/or in terrible agony usually 1, 2 or even 3 decades before you're meant to go, In the process causing family members a hell of a lot of grief.

Same with alcohol, People know the dangers of ingesting it and that in general it really is not good for your health yet people throw it down their throats saying "it's no harm" and "oh but it has health benefits this wine companies sponsored research proves it"......

If the human species makes it another few hundred years without a massive calamity it'll be an absolute miracle.

Fair point