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[SeekaX]

I'm going to tread very carefully and try not to stir this up again but... When I was trying to find a price for the Kingpin to make a price/performance comparison yesterday I literally couldn't find it anywhere. The only place I did come across an actual number was on the EVGA website where it is listed for €765.00, now I don't want to sound ridiculous but that isn't actually expensive. Convert that directly into GBP and that's less than you could buy a Ti Classified for....

I think that Vlad may have been in part kinda right. I mean its only another €66 on the EVGA store and for that you get 52MHz guaranteed from the factory and a backplate which is €20 IF you can actually find one. If you like see through coolers (I don't) then it actually seems like a good buy. Maybe the UK pricing we saw over here wasn't in line with the price difference elsewhere :huh:

JR

doesn't work like that, the prices in the UK are generally higher than the euro prices.
in germany i can get a classified for 730 euros, can't find a kingpin either though. then again you can get a normal 780ti for less than 580. it's more a case of both being a bit overpriced.

 

[JR23]

doesn't work like that, the prices in the UK are generally higher than the euro prices.
in germany i can get a classified for 730 euros, can't find a kingpin either though. then again you can get a normal 780ti for less than 580. it's more a case of both being a bit overpriced.

So it's a completely irrelevant argument now because you couldn't even buy a Kingpin if you wanted one , like I said before I bet they will hold their value for a little while.

 

[Edge]

That's not the point at all. The point is, as has been shown in the thread, reference 780Ti's match and beat the Kingpin on air when OC'd.

Logic dictates non-reference models surpass it.

 

[SeekaX]

So it's a completely irrelevant argument now because you couldn't even buy a Kingpin if you wanted one , like I said before I bet they will hold their value for a little while.

they will loose value just as quick as the rest, the whole difference is that you pay 180 euros extra for an ugly ass card.
i don't get why that argument is irrelevant.

 

[JR23]

How can you compare something that literally cannot be bought :huh: I think that someone should at least look at it with a fair comparable price instead of just saying its stupid and expensive. I've still not seen any evidence that its expensive and if it comes back in stock on the EVGA store then you could buy one in the UK for a very similar price to other 780Ti's, a reference is like £560 a hot one is £600-640 and it comes in at about £628 that seems a completely legit option to me.

 

[Dicehunter]

That's not the point at all. The point is, as has been shown in the thread, reference 780Ti's match and beat the Kingpin on air when OC'd.

Logic dictates non-reference models surpass it.

Dude you can't use logic with this, It's too logical ^_^

 

[SeekaX]

How can you compare something that literally cannot be bought :huh: I think that someone should at least look at it with a fair comparable price instead of just saying its stupid and expensive. I've still not seen any evidence that its expensive and if it comes back in stock on the EVGA store then you could buy one in the UK for a very similar price to other 780Ti's, a reference is like £560 a hot one is £600-640 and it comes in at about £628 that seems a completely legit option to me.

580 euros for a 780ti. 765 euros for a 780ti kingpin. what's not to understand.

 

[JR23]

580 euros for a 780ti. 765 euros for a 780ti kingpin. what's not to understand.

Thats ok then I just didn't see any directly fair comparison so far, how much does a Classified come out at like 680 euros? A lot of the benchmarks posted so far seem to be comparing stock for overclock as well. I'm just trying to take a fair perspective on it that's all, I personally really hate the look of it and would sooner have the Ti Classified with samsung memory and less childish colour scheme.

 

[Warchild]

Classified here in Norway is about 7000k Which converting to Euro is €838.352

EVGA reference SC is 5895 which is 706.

I can really justify the bump in price to be honest, even for the classified.

 

[Dicehunter]

Can this thread die already, I can actually see kingpin himself rolling his eyes at this ^_^

 

[Warchild]

 

[Dicehunter]

Lol, Love the green rig by the way on your imageshack, Looks the sex !

 

[Warchild]

Thanks. Working on a new one at the moment. I "gave" that one away pretty much. Just kept the gpus.

 

[Vlada011]

+1



From the parts I can sort of understand he sounds like an obsessive EVGA fan boy trying to defend his poor choice in GPU purchase.



This was with a moderate clock on my 780 Ti, Even with the overclocks and scores *15,313* and settings you say you used before you for some reason downlocked your CPU.
A reference card is still pulling ahead AND I have quite a bit left for further overclocking on the GPU -

This is your moderate clock... Did you read, what I say, mine last score is small because CPU is on stock settings...I present that to show you
how difference CPU and different clock can influence on result and than I can't find official result... Don't forget I can find official results for your cards...
I'm only one here who show you exactly and clocks and score. You post some cut pictures with results little bigger than mine, I non stop repeat mine card is on fabric clock, you repeat your cards are OC little and I can't see your clock... I only see results and words. 48h after mine post you talk how reference card beat mine I didn't saw valid link with valid score where I can see your reference cards to beat mine on same clocks. Only one guy post nice picture who have something little score higher than mine on 1280/2250MHz... I post you valid link and you can see every detail of my system. And that is first test, I will beat that easy even on fabric clock with few more tests...
He probably thought I OC mine card and he push own and think he beat me...
Guys mine card work on 1072/1750, show me your result nice, with clocks, processors, temps with link validate where I can see details and your score on 1202MHz Boost and stock memory, but don't play with NVIDIA Control Panel because I will recognize that in fps under score...

 

[Dicehunter]

This is your moderate clock... Did you read, what I say, mine last score is small because CPU is on stock settings...I present that to show you
how difference CPU and different clock can influence on result and than I can't find official result... Don't forget I can find official results for your cards...
I'm only one here who show you exactly and clocks and score. You post some cut pictures with results little bigger than mine, I non stop repeat mine card is on fabric clock, you repeat your cards are OC little and I can't see your clock... I only see results and words. 48h after mine post you talk how reference card beat mine I didn't saw valid link with valid score where I can see your reference cards to beat mine on same clocks. Only one guy post nice picture who have something little score higher than mine on 1280/2250MHz...
He probably thought I OC mine card and he push own and think he beat me...
Guys mine card work on 1072/1750, show me your result nice, with clocks, procesors, temps with link validate where I can see details and your score on 1202MHz Boost and stock memory, but don't play with NVIDIA Control Panel because I will recognize that in fps under score...

You didn't read what I wrote did you .
Please go back, Read it slowly and please for the love of god learn a bit more English because no offence meant here, But 90% of what you say I do not understand.

 

[Vlada011]

I really don't want to argue with you about cards, buy for self what you want.
I will prey god to every year or two see such cards on market.

Yea he didn't read at all, he saw number 14.000 and hurry to show me own 15.000 without clock, nothing,
Did he see 8.000 mine PhysX score and 12.000 his PhysX score I'm not sure.

Look that is price difference...

and PCB difference...

funny for 50e really...

 

[ahimoth]

Cough >.>

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/2452014

 

[Dicehunter]

I really don't want to argue with you about cards, buy for self what you want.
I will prey god to every year or two see such cards on market.
Yea he didn't read at all, he saw number 14.000 and hurry to show me own 15.000 without clock, nothing,
Did he see 8.000 mine PhysX score and 12.000 his PhysX score I'm not sure.

Again, Go back and read what I wrote, You clearly didn't understand

I notice your using a Samsung P2450, I really hope your going to upgrade to a higher resolution screen, The 780 Ti is wasted at 1080P

 

[JR23]

Again, Go back and read what I wrote, You clearly didn't understand

I've read everything both of you said, about 3 times and what Vlad is saying makes more sense at times. Your saying clock for clock (which is an overclock for your card) a reference card can beat the Kingpin. Well that doesn't make any sense for a start, if the clocks are matched with the same gpu then the result in a fair test would be identical. The fact that you beat him by about 4 points is obviously down to discrepancies in the test run and the rest of the system, as you said it can vary by 100 points.

There is no doubt that out of the box the Kingpin has the highest clocks and enough thermal headroom to boost as far as it likes which because of the increased base/boost will be beyond any other non-overclocked card. Hence at stock in a fair test it will always beat any reference Ti. Nobody on here has actually compared true overclock for overclock with the same method of cooling yet so how can you reach a fair confusion. The Kingpin might go another 100MHz :huh:

JR

 

[Dicehunter]

I've read everything both of you said, about 3 times and what Vlad is saying makes more sense at times. Your saying clock for clock (which is an overclock for your card) a reference card can beat the Kingpin. Well that doesn't make any sense for a start, if the clocks are matched with the same gpu then the result in a fair test would be identical. The fact that you beat him by about 4 points is obviously down to discrepancies in the test run and the rest of the system, as you said it can vary by 100 points.

You are actually putting words in my mouth there, Unbelievable, That's not what I put at all.

I said and I quote *Corrected the grammar a bit* -

This was with a moderate overclock on my 780 Ti, Even with the overclocks and score you got of *15,313* and settings you used before and for some reason you downlocked your CPU ???
A reference card is still pulling ahead AND I have quite a bit left for further overclocking on the GPU

If we we're both at the same clocks and had the same CPU and CPU clocks I have no doubt the scores would be equal as they are the same card pretty much apart from the cooling and extra power solutions but the fact is we don't ergo the reason people here with reference cards are getting higher numbers.