Car PC

Ham

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Right, Ive got a dilemer. I'll have about £180 burning a hole in my pocket end of this month. Ive got a few ideas of what to do with it (Crossfire x1600s for example), but one of these is build a Via M-ITX based media center type thing for my car. These boards are tiny and i could easily slip a system built from one into my overly large sterio slot in the dash. And using a portable tv (cheapo 1/'borrowed' form father') for a screen, maybe a ATI remote, id have a decent, all-media player in my car.

Does anyone have experiance of these mini pcs? Or any car pc projects?

Edit: No i cant afford a laptop
 
Ha, this reminds me of the car PC I saw in my issue of Maximum PC. Can't find it in their site though. Didn't really explain anything either. GL on this man :D
 
One of my boxholders at work has been receiving parts for his car PC. He just picked up a nice lil mobo w/ 700mhz proccy that's standard 1.5 DIN w/ nice display and controls on the front that just pops right in to his car stereo's spot. He just got the monitor in not long ago, i wonder how that project is coming along.

I also know that he got an interface kit that will interface with his cars onboard computer and monitor all of the cars vitals straight from the carputer.

Sweet shit, i've been thinking about it but I don't spend enough time in my car to render it. Go for it mate, and post lots of pix :D
 
My friend had a Athlon sys build into his Audi TT and project was kinda easy when u look at it from outside tbh. So going back then also doing some research online reveals below.

The main problem is the power, signals and noise interference.

First Power, Depending on your setup you need to calculate how much power you need before u do anything. Car batterys runs on 12V and you need lot of batterys if you wanna run SLI setup :D . If you need lets says around 600W power then you would need battery setup which can output 50AH * time you wanna use. Btw this is when your car is not running.

e.g Car is off.

600W / 12V= 50Amps

Typical car battery will have figures like 50AH@20 which means if you used your battery flat out in 20hours when car is not running at the end of that 20hours you would used around 50amps.

Car batterys output 12V at normal times. This can reduce to 9v when you start your car and change between 8v-13V depending on what you are running. So as you can see it changes too often so this means computer freezes/lock-ups/restarts etc. So basically you need to have another battery running for your computer so it doesn effect your car at all. This second battery also needs to charge up so i cant remember how the alternator setup was so you ll need to look into that.

Anyway so now you have your second battery and its charging fine, now you would need to use is an inverter which has plugs in them just like normal wall sockets. They come in lots of different sizes ( Wattage ) and draws its power from cigarette lighters to hooked direct to a battery depending on the size of the inverter.

Few inverters for you. ( These have british sockets in them some EU compatible tough )

2500Watts £400

http://upload.sysxtreme.com/0.X/0.999737/inv.2500.3000.12v.353.jpg

1200 Watts £100

http://upload.sysxtreme.com/0.X/0.999737/inv.1200.12.600.jpg

http://upload.sysxtreme.com/0.X/0.999737/inv.1200.12.add2.jpg

http://upload.sysxtreme.com/0.X/0.999737/inv.1200.12.add3.jpg

150 Watts £30

http://upload.sysxtreme.com/0.X/0.1138117/150.jpg

75 Watts £16

http://upload.sysxtreme.com/0.X/0.1138117/75.jpg

(Above is very handy to be honest we had a similar one to charge up or use mp3 players etc , now you could probably run your i-pod , PSP, mp3 players , digital cameras etc. )

Search on the net for inverters and you will see many of them and when you find one make sure it is a good one , similar to cheap PC Power supplies there are cheap inverters. Make sure your inverter battery setups output is more then what ever psu you gonna use for your pc.

Inverters Link: http://www.exeltech.com/

If you dont want to deal with all these there are few companies who does vehicle pcs along with the power requirements.

Like

http://www.logicsupply.com/default.php/cPath/50

http://www.opussolutions.com/

http://www.karpc.com/

http://www.indashpc.org/new/

http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/index.php Excellent forum on car audio and carpc

Other problems are signal interference and noise caused by grouding and all the electrical cables in the car itself. So basically you need to separate power cables from audio and video cables. E.g if you have your pc in the trunk so you would run your power cables on left and audio video on the right or vice versa.

The rest is pretty much is easy same as normal home pcs. You can have £10000 worth pc or £300. Setup we used was we had the inverter in the boot with 2 batterys on each side of the car boot ( total 4 batterys ) cant remember how they hook up the batterys to alternators as i wasnt there perhaps speak to a mechanic :) then we had the pc box hook in the middle of both front seats with custom holders so it doesnt shake about. You might wanna use something like suspension springs so it doesnt move the components inside the case when you go over the humps etc. Of course this depends on your setup. Then we had video / audio switcher and splitter ( booster ) basically you can combine many inputs outputs with this if you have multiple screens. All the video outputs run thru switch box as above. All audio re-routed to the amplifier , and speakers connected to the amplifier with crossovers and so on.... As you can see for your £180 pounds this kind of carpc looks too expensive but then again i am not pro in this and only seen 1 type of installation. Perhaps checking above forums might give you more information , perhaps a budget system or components.

Here are few setups you could use for your audio.

Bringing all outputs into Switch Box then to Amplifier

Head unit Output > Switch box

Computer Output > Switch box

Other outputs > Switch box then

Switch box Out > In Amplifier Out > Speakers

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Running your head unit into computer then to Amplifier

Head unit output > Computer Aux in

Computer out > Amplifier Aux In

Amplifier out > Speakers.

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No head unit just using your computer.

Touch Screen Monitor > PC

PC > Amplifier > Speakers.

Now FRAG i am sure you ll be insterested in this and for some reason i get the feeling this is gonna be your next project.

Hardware for Screens and usual setup:

1 x Main Screen in middle , used for general usage, online gaming, console gaming, gps, internet.

2 x Small screens at the back of the seat for whatever passengers wanna watch :D

1 x Car View Camera Monitor ( E.G Rear View, Front View or Both )

2 x Power Amps 1 for sorround sound 1 for Sub or bass box

7 x Normal Quality Speakers

2 x Bass Box or 1 Depends on power

1 x Equalisier

1 x Video Splitter

4 x Batterys

2 x Inverters 1 high output 1 low output.

PC Setup:

Usual gear + TV card , Radio Card + Bluetooth or wireless adapter , car antenna for tv and Radio with RGB connectors. IR Box and probably IR mouse , keyboard and controller.

2 x cameras 1 for back 1 for front

and of course your favoruite console with shit loads of cables , now you imagine what you could have in the car.

As for controlling cars computer or ecu you would need to find your cars OBD-II port and then use a OBD-II port to serial cable or OBD-II port to usb cable to connect your car to your pc. Then using the software you can view many things which the sensors in your car outputs. General software and normal standard ECU can only have usage and usual data , i am sure custom ECU's with custom software can make changes to every aspect of your engine and other stuff. E.G Fast and furious :) Btw you can also reset service lights etc with some of these hint! hint! and get that mot or pass the inspection.

This is how OBD-II port looks like. This is on Audi A4

http://autocenter.weber.edu/OBD-CH/documents/newdocuments/audi/A4/2005_audi_a4.jpg

Check your vehicles OBD-II port from below address:

http://www.autocenter.weber.edu/OBD-CH/vehicleoems.asp

Software for reading OBD-II Data and few screenshots.

Homepage

http://www.obddiagnostics.com/

Screenshots :

http://www.obddiagnostics.com/ScrnShot/Winscreen.html

Other Sites:

Free Softwares:

http://www.easyobdii.com/_mgxroot/page_10767.html

http://ca.geocities.com/t_kolody/OBDSoftware.htm

http://www.qcontinuum.org/obdgauge/ < For PalmOS

http://pages.infinit.net/jsenk/obd_Win.htm

http://www.wgsoft.de/

http://www.fiero-gt.com/obd2.html

http://www.geocities.com/huffyfire/obd2/index.html

NON Free EEC Stuff:

http://eecanalyzer.webhop.net/

http://www.elmoscan.net/english/index.html

http://www.obd2spy.com/ also has free version and looks good.

http://www.palmerperformance.com/index.php

http://www.myscantool.com/details.html

http://www.vitalengineering.co.uk/software.htm

Post is growing bigger and bigger and it seems subject is getting lost so now i shut up :)
 
you could go for the nano-itx standard, its only just being released by VIA, buts the motherboard is only 12cm by 12cm. they have hardware acclerators for both mpeg 2 and 4, so media plaback shouldnt be a problem. you can get a 1ghz model and some other varients too.

mini-itx.com is the only site you need.

I'd recommend going for the option of having a little pc under your passenger seat.

im still on the look out for a cheap single din sized usb touch screen tft that is motorised. dont think there are many around.

there are also a few special car pc psu's, just check the above site out. but this is the smallest one i've ever seen

picopsu120.jpg
 
Holy f**k Tec, u should be a proffeser or somthing. Reps.

What Ive been looking at is along the lines of what nabber said. But i cant afford the nano-ITX boards so just a micro-ITX. And that the site ive been looking at.

VIA EPIA Nehemiah M10000 LVDS

@: http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=2#p1606

Morex 80W PSU and DC-DC Converter Kit

@ http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=10#p1816

Them coupled with a 512 stick of KVR or Corsair Value would comprise of the base unit.

Kempez' ps1 screen idea is great, i love buchering things too:).

Then to control an ATI Remote Wonder Wireless Remote (double sided pads/velcro to the dash)

@:http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=14#p1501

..And thats £50 over budget

so perhaps a lamer ITX noard such as:

VIA EPIA 800 All In One

@:http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=2#p1601

I got an old 8gb HDD lying around with windows on, few cables/mods and it should work. Any other thoughts?
 
Tec, you need to lay off the coffee :coffee:

you decided to go with the car PC then, not the crossfire x1600s?
 
Have a look at http://www.cartft.com/ they do everything you need , but I think the cost may be over £400 iin total.

here is the catalog link http://www.cartft.com/catalog/gl/67

There is an article on how to go about it all in PCanswers this month (MAR issue 156 ) link

http://www.pcanswers.co.uk/ which you will have to purchase before the next edition comes out on the 9th march ;)

In it they use the voom PC which goes under your seat (cables wont reach into boot) no buttons on it but is all run by a 7 inch touch screen with stylus. The PC itself is 1GHz VIA Nehemiah CPU on a VIA M-II 10000 mini itx board. It runs from your car supply but only has a 40gb laptop hard drive and and a custom built power supply which is designed to power up when you start your car.

Underneath the ICT software there is a windows ME OS but apparently you dont see much of this , so dont worry..

It is also included with GPS software so all you have to do is connect a GPS receiver and away you go, once you have installed navigation software
 
Thanks chudley but £400 is WAY too much. Im not even sure if im going to commit to this project yet....
 
Know how you feel mate about the cost , the other option and more simple one is to buy a transformer from halfords about £50 or nick one for free :eek: and use a laptop, double sided sticky tape / velcro to mount it on yer dashboard :rolleyes: and one of those pencils things that Stephen hawkins uses to type with.

Oh and almost forgot some one to drive the car for you whilst you write your emails :p (have they banned the use of pcs in cars?) whilst driving
 
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