An option for some users?

dowhatnow

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I was just curious if Sub-Zero cooling was an option for users, like myself, who don't have a limitless budget or very much knowledge, let alone skill, in any and all areas of PC modification. I look to Sub-Zero because it seems like it's the best option for cranking more Hz out of a CPU/GPU, and that's a definite plus.

Thanks OC3D.
 
the cheapest most efficient way to go is actually water cooling, the difference bewteen water and phase for 24/7 oc's is not a whole bunch usually and overall system wise youll get everything higher with water

phase is expensive to buy, relatively easy to setup if you read a little of all the guides and stuff but it takes some research, and once its running it does take a toll on your electric bill

phase is great for gettting the most out of your cpu but if you go water you get your mobo/cpu/gpu at pretty high levels on all three if you do it right

a custom good water kit is about $250 or so, a phase used starts at about $500 if your lucky going up to $1000 for new
 
name='dowhatnow' said:
I was just curious if Sub-Zero cooling was an option for users, like myself, who don't have a limitless budget or very much knowledge, let alone skill, in any and all areas of PC modification. I look to Sub-Zero because it seems like it's the best option for cranking more Hz out of a CPU/GPU, and that's a definite plus.

Thanks OC3D.

As max said, its very expensive.

You can crank a fair bit more out with a good heat pump really though. Frag got 4ghz+ (4.4 was it?) out of his conroe under phase, and you only need to browse the OC Wr database too see the max clocks it can obtain.

However, it destroys a lot of hardware, its hard to set up properly and for 24/7 use in an enthusiast rig (swapping parts out all the time) is just impractical. Hence why my SS ain't going near my e4300...
 
I have tried air, water and tec.

I upgraded my cooling each time in the pursuit of higher a OC...

I'm a little bitter to be honest as my 6600 is not prime stable past 3.3, but with the tec i was able to reach spi stable 1m&32m at 3.8...

Look at Frag, he is on air at 1.35v @3.6 stable.

With hindsight i'd have stuck to air and spent the £400 i wasted on cooling on an 8800gtx...

If you happen to have a sweet cpu then i'm sure it is worth it.
 
I hear on the grapevine of peoples go `subzero` just to get bench results for like a couple of hours - and eff the gear after it. ouch.
 
When you phase, you have this insatiable urge to push everything to the dire limits, no holds barred. I ended up killing a lot of hardware for this reason. I was able to get my E6600 up to 4.4ghz on a stock VapoLS, very sick, but I also went through 3 motherboards in a month trying to get it that high. Condensation is a PITA, and I'd rather not have to worry about it.

Sub-zero cooling is awesome, and someday I'm sure I'll be back. But that's only once I have enough money to fund the hardware that i'll be killing :)
 
name='Rastalovich' said:
I hear on the grapevine of peoples go `subzero` just to get bench results for like a couple of hours - and eff the gear after it. ouch.

Its true. But they get the gear for free from sposors. Either maunfacures or shops. So its not like theyre spending a fortune on hardware like us normal people. Hence how they can afford LN2...
 
thats why you gotta be careful, i run my phase 24/7 with my machIIgt but i make sure my mobo is properly insulated, i run my e6600 at 3960mhz with 1.55 vcore 24/7, i do the occasional highest i can go benches and stuff because its fun to do but i have never killed a mobo because of phase or a cpu for that matter,

you just gotta be carefull and do it right, the only thing i have killed a mobo with is volt modding and that was because i screwed up a solder job, i killed a graphics card because of a short (stupid misshap with some wires)

phase is just more expensive really, and you gotta know what you are doing or yes you will fubar stuff
 
Your all quite misinformed.

Benchers almost never are "given" hardware by their sponsors. When benchers do get sponsors, they are often signing a contract that if hardware is killed, (and its often stores if you havent noticed that sign benchers) they will give the benchers 50% discount or the like.

As for LN2, for $300 you can buy a dewar, and for $50 or so get it filled. To each his own, but its cheaper then phase in some ways (+$200 or so for a decent pot).

As for killing hardware under phase. Just becuase your showing -40C does not mean your cpu can take as much voltage as you can give it. Just because Vapochill provides a socket kit for insulation, doesn't mean thats all the insulation you need, and their are hundreds of resources on computer forums like this that say this and warn you to insulate properly. To use di-electric grease, to not expect an RMA if you do kill something, and to not push excessive voltage. I've seen people on phase with C2D running 1.66 + volts into their cpu's becuase their temps are "still amazing", then they complain their cpu's dead and they have no condensation problems. Meanwhile at 1.64V electron migration occurs in most C2D and kills chips.

Moral of the story? When you run phase, its not about the temperature as your voltage meter. Check what your allowed to use. I say only a .1V+ bump per upgrade in cooling, air @ 1.35 to 1.4, water at 1.5, tec's at 1.6, good phase at 1.65 or less, ln2 up to 1.8v.

With ln2 you almost always end up with a CPU though that is always subzero only to run properly. They become so doused that they need low temps to maintain even normal stability.

So unless you want the same for your CPU under phase, watch your volts.
 
The point being NoL, air/water is far easier and much less likely to kill stuff. However the death may occur. + you still have a leg to stand on for RMAs if the stuff ant covered in grease and lacquer.
 
In my opinion air and water are just as deadly if people think that since there temps are fine they can crank up the voltages. Just you get more and more out of phase, and mobo's often die from delivering to much power more then they are rated for.
 
Phase kills lots of parts just because there is more to go wrong and it's very easy to bugger it up.

Water and air only go wrong if people go too far
 
Thats my point Kemp, phase only hurts when people go to far. I've yet to kill hardware except by vmodding and/or pushing way to hard. (seven abit is7 max3's dead and gone, mosfet explosions on each).
 
yeah thats why im careful, i like to use my hardware in other things after i take it off phase and have allways been able to do so, and i run my phase system as my main rig running 24/7 so everything has got to be stable but i get the best performance i can out of it

my next goal is to mod my case so i can get some water cooling in there also so that i can water cool the NB and the GPU and have phase on the cpu, its jsut kind of hard with space constraints and making it look half way decent at the same time
 
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