Any manufacturer will screw you on 'upgrades'. Always have and most certainly always will. I am not trying to cover the asses of retards, merely point out that their machines offer good value providing you are not a complete twunt.
However, the kind of machine you are talking about is not something a first timer could put together. At all.
I am talking about mainstream gaming machines, you are talking about ridiculous levels of overkill.
Most of Alienware's customers don't know their asses from their elbows.
I present - complete mong who ought to be burned at the stake
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfwVZJt32kg&feature=related[/media]
He doesn't even understand what he has just gotten and doesn't even know how to get it out of the box. TBH? god bless Alienware for saving gullible pratts like this one from being royally screwed over by some asshole willing to con people.
I present - complete mong who ought to be burned at the stake
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfwVZJt32kg&feature=related[/media]
He doesn't even understand what he has just gotten and doesn't even know how to get it out of the box. TBH? god bless Alienware for saving gullible pratts like this one from being royally screwed over by some asshole willing to con people.
lol what a douch
but the OP of this thread clearly said he wanted a system for gaming/autodesk inventor
About a year ago yes. Chances are he's well sorted by now (at least I hope he is !).
The point I was making was right now at this precise moment in time it actually works out cheaper to buy an Alienware for gaming on than building your own. Infact, for about four years it has been that way. It simply comes down to like for like parts. And, as I pointed out if you use the same parts or of equal quality then the system works out cheaper than buying the parts.
And then I should reiterate my point that most of the people who buy Alienware don't know their asses from their elbows inside a PC. Thus telling them and advising them to build a unit is, quite frankly, a terrible idea. They are better off over paying (should they want to have it upgraded during the order) than ending up with a pile of parts on the floor scrathing their head.
Going back to the video, note he says "And I think this is the ram here.." which is basically him confessing that he doesn't have a jar of glue what he's talking about. Thus, it would be incredibly foolish to think that he could build an entire PC without assistance from any one.
I cannot even begin to describe just how many fatal mistakes can be made when assembling a PC with absolutely no experience at all. I shall point out one, though.
Putting a single motherboard post in the wrong place on the back plane leads to a fried board. As SSD himself said he didn't put the ram in properly. Why? because these people have never done so before and have never been shown how. Do you really think it's a smart move to throw three grand into something you could VERY easily blow up? and then lose 15% on the send backs (which the postage would be down to you too?).
So again I shall point out. Horses for courses. Alienware serve a very good purpose in our world. Go and spec me a PC on any site (Origin, Falcon NW) and then compare that to the price of an Alienware OR the part prices. I bet you'll hit the moon.
And how any one can quote and say that they think a computer that works out more than raw parts without even adding the shipping is too expensive needs to see things a bit more clearly tbh.
Honestly I'm not being pissy, but when people give out bad advice it's not cool. Telling some one who may have ABSOLUTELY no idea what he is doing to drop $3k and pray is quite frankly insane. Personally I would rather advise some one to pay four grand to get something built and working, with a warranty to back up it working.
My first ever PC I bought was an Apricot 386. I was fully aware I could build one myself. However, the Apricot (whilst very expensive) allowed me to take a good look at a FULLY built and working PC. From that point on I began to dabble by removing pieces and putting them back. Dropping a pile of parts on my carpet would have had me seriously confused.
Also, one last thing to point out. I am not even bringing business related workstations into this. If you want me to I can go off and price some for you? I bet they would work out double the price of an Alienware simply because they had the word professional before the name or model.
Of course it's a good idea to build your own PC. For the experience more than anything. However, how many people would you advise replace the cambelt on their engine with no mechanical experience whatsoever?
Just remember who you are and what you know, and then don't apply it to every one.
There is no need for a workstation card unless you are seriously professional. The cards are generally $3K+ alone, which makes them a very bad choice to buy. Whilst they have a couple of features not available on consumer gaming cards, unless you need the 24hr replacement I wouldn't touch the quadros.
Building your own especially for $3K is definitely the better route and will save a lot of hassle. For instance say the GPU is DOA, at least you can diagnose that with POST codes on the motherboard, and return it, which is a lot better than returning a whole PC for a couple of weeks to Dell.
hence my suggestion to OP to have a qualified builder assemble his system....which I clearly stated 3....count them THREE times....
*sigh* I happen to do this as part of my day to day job....so I kind of know how this all plays out (from experience)
I have built dozens of workstations for professional, and my own studios needs.....please don't disregard my experience or knowledge on this subject. Is this something you do professionally for pay??
Hey guys,
Now i am wanting to make or buy a new computer for gaming/ autodesk inventor. But i am thinking if i should make it or buy a alienware (alienware aurora) for $3000. What do you guys think?
HAHA come on guys don't let a spoiled kid (rich parents) get on to us![]()
unless you guys love to bicker about it![]()
Bickering over it is the last thing I wanted to do tbh. Just a couple of crossed wires it seems.
As for that kid? Well, yes his parents are going to ruin him. I mean seriously, Armani Exchange Tshirts and ridiculously priced PCs?
They'll pay for that, they'll never get rid and he will be riding the coat tails forever![]()
The thing is he made that video *purely* to boast. I know a guy whose parents own a $3m mansion and they are a very wealthy family. He goes out to work, busts his ass, makes the money and never feels the need to tell any one about it. I've known him since he was 18 and never has he ridden the coat tails. His first car was an 03 Tiburon which he paid off (himself) in 08, now he has an Eddie Bauer (all American stuff). But yeah, there's a difference between being a spoiled knob and being a spoiled knob that feels the need to shout it from the rooftops.
BTW Snow, if you *really* wanted to laugh at an Alienware owner try this one.
Serious.bloody.facepalm.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S_3klbPQo4[/media]
Did you read what I said dude? The guy posted in October 2009.
Which is why when I posted what I did it had nothing to do with what he said and everything to do about the prices that people thought were expensive.
I'm not denying anything ! What I posted had nothing to do with the original post as it's nearly a year old and thus there's no point offering advice.
OK. I didn't want to bother with this as I realise that Alienware make gaming rigs. The only time they ever made a workstation or graphical editing machine was about seven years back (the MJ12).
That means that Alienware only make gaming machines. So there's no point in buying one if you want to professionally edit any graphics or that sort of ilk.
If you wanted a professional solution you would need to pull it apart and the chances are it would not hold a professional videocard as it does not have the end slots in the Alienware chassis (the MJ12 did about seven years back, though). MJ12 was dual xeon, Alieware's gaming PCs are single CPU. Last year when you posted this you would have been lucky to get an I7 920 in there and tbh that would probably not have been suitable, again because other than the MJ12 Alienware have never made a graphic/professional workstation (they no longer make blade servers either).
Hence why there seems to be a crossed wire here, because I am talking about Alienware (you know? gaming machines) and you were asking for something other than. In which case buying an Alienware would probably not be the best idea, being that it would probably have been (in October of 2009) inappropriate.
My price comparissons had nothing to do with professional/CAD/ETC computers as this is a gaming/overclockers forum.
I hope that clears it all up![]()
Bickering over it is the last thing I wanted to do tbh. Just a couple of crossed wires it seems.
As for that kid? Well, yes his parents are going to ruin him. I mean seriously, Armani Exchange Tshirts and ridiculously priced PCs?
They'll pay for that, they'll never get rid and he will be riding the coat tails forever![]()
The thing is he made that video *purely* to boast. I know a guy whose parents own a $3m mansion and they are a very wealthy family. He goes out to work, busts his ass, makes the money and never feels the need to tell any one about it. I've known him since he was 18 and never has he ridden the coat tails. His first car was an 03 Tiburon which he paid off (himself) in 08, now he has an Eddie Bauer (all American stuff). But yeah, there's a difference between being a spoiled knob and being a spoiled knob that feels the need to shout it from the rooftops.
BTW Snow, if you *really* wanted to laugh at an Alienware owner try this one.
Serious.bloody.facepalm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S_3klbPQo4
Most of them are like that dude. Seriously, they have absolutely no idea. Read his comments !! "A year later I spent $xxxxx on a rig because mine didn't support Crysis".
It just makes you wonder how stupid people like that actually earn enough money to fritter it away on computers. His videos depict so many new machines and thousands and thousands of dollars going down the toilet.
I'm not and never was Alienware's fanboi. I worked selling them for a while and I know a good few people who won't remember drooling over them back then (funny how that changes with time). There are positive sides to their company though.
They were one of if not the first companies to actually try and make a computer look nice (and not just those disgusting apple ripoff cases in the late 90s).
They were the first company to offer computers with absolutely no holds barred and no expense spared.
Their customer service (pre Dell) was absolutely amazing.
Over the last decade we have all become incredibly fickle. We don't care about getting a service because we just want cheap. And, that's what we get now. Which is great of course, but the term "Made in England" or "Made in America" is now becoming nothing but a distant memory.
I know first hand that Alienwares were made in the USA, using as many USA made parts as possible (close ties with EVGA for example). They were built and shipped out of Florida, and you got 'phase photos' of the machine being slowly and painstakingly put together. They then spent a couple of days benching it and printed out (and sent you) all of the results.
So yes, Alienwares used to be REALLY expensive. FAR more than you could component match for. However, it wasn't that you were paying for. It was US based call centers (Fancy the Mumbai express then?) knowledgable customer service reps (like you and me, and not some one who pronounces firewall as a fireball) and so on.
Once Dell took over? yeah, prices hit the floor. However, call them up? They would ask you your problem and then google it. And no, I sh*t you not.
The ALX (the real one) was the creme de la creme. So expensive was it and so exclusive that should you have a problem? you had a personal rep on call 24/7. You even got a special CS number that was there *purely* for ALX owners.
And as soon as Dell took over those philosophies were dropped in the trash can and it became a cash cow.
If Alienware were as bad as so many people say they are they would have been dead and buried years and years ago. And, they certainly wouldn't have been bought out by Dell. Dell are now making ALL of the mistakes they made with their XPS machines (that are now defunct) and have thrown all of the original company ethics to the wayside.
And that's why Origin are starting to gain momentum. Incase you weren't aware Origin are Alienware. All of the original founders are there barring one, and their PCs are uber uber expensive. However, you get what you pay for. Their CS is absolutely second to none.
I think their systems are distasteful. They are tacky. Beyond tacky, but they are certainly powerful machines. I would never argue that point.
My main grip about Alienware, is that their "high-end" machines are about 200% too expensive. Base models do represent a reasonable value though. I do find it interesting that they don't offer large RAID subsystems, SSd's or Large RAM pools in their top tier configurations. A company who can't get 12GB plus of RAM to work with a stable overclock, really has to be questioned.
I have managed to get my 24GB brick to OC to 1720mhz. stable....on a 4.3ghz CPU clock. Why can't a company with such vast resources manage to do the same?? Maybe it's more an issue of contracts with specific vendors...and having to play with-in those rules. I guess it is a money game or them, and not so much about massive performance.
To be honest I wouldn't be mad if someone gave me one of their systems. I would gladly use it for....."veeeeeedeo editing"![]()