We're out out - The Brexit Thread

[Greenback]

The leave campaign leaders should be punished greatly for this IMO. This can't happen again.

I think the remain leaders should take equal responsibility, I feel they assumed we would do as we were told, and didn't put enough effort in to what we get from the EU, apart from the Immigration and our fishing areas taken away. Because with just the fear tactic it would seem they couldn't find a good point to being in the EU. IMO

 

[SPS]

I think the remain leaders should take equal responsibility, I feel they assumed we would do as we were told, and didn't put enough effort in to what we get from the EU, apart from the Immigration and our fishing areas taken away. Because with just the fear tactic it would seem they couldn't find a good point to being in the EU. IMO

I feel they panicked because they didn't want the referendum anyway, where as the leave campaign exploited it beyond reality.

 

[Greenback]

I feel they panicked because they didn't want the referendum anyway, where as the leave campaign exploited it beyond reality.

This is purely my opinion. but I feel they would of been better showing where money from the EU goes how much is going there, how many people in wales really knows how much goes to wales.

E'g we pay £150m, but £10.5m went to Pontypridd town centre, Aberdare received funding for its £7.7m regeneration and Ebbw Vale's project had a £12m price tag with a significant EU contribution.

now you don't have to say over x amount of years people will look at the numbers and not think of time period only that's £30m of the £150m, look at the £350 million on the NHS few considered the leave side had no power to actually spend that money until after. Now I'm sure if I put a bit of effort in I could go £200 or £300 million.

 

[WYP]

I just came across this and thought that it explained the situation in NI due to Brexit.


This post is intended to be informative to those that are not acquainted with how NI works.


It is a twitter essay, so you will need to read from bottom to top.

In summary, if NI is going to have any form of normality/peace post-Brexit we need to have an open border.

This, in turn, would prevent "fortress Britain" and the immigration controls that Brexit campaigners told the public they could have post-Brexit.

This will happen anyway when Boris' plans of entering the EU free market happen anyway, as no nation has access to the market without EU free movement.

Stormont and the NI assembly have already stated that a hard border with the Republic of Ireland is not an option.

 

[Warchild]

Damn that sucks WYP, totally forgot about the hardships of the border security and problems you guys fought hard to remove.

 

[Greenback]

TBH I think if they did another referendum the result would be different, there are people who want out of the Eu but not at the cost of ripping the UK apart

 

[Warchild]

TBH I think if they did another referendum the result would be different, there are people who want out of the Eu but not at the cost of ripping the UK apart

there are also people annoyed they voted leave without being fully informed of its consequences.

Lets face it, as it stands now its become a very bad idea. An entire government in turmoil, nation split, political party imploding and a buffoon being tipped to take over PM.

 

[Kaapstad]

I remember the state the UK was in before we joined the EU.

 

[Tolemac]

I remember the state the UK was in before we joined the EU.

Me too fella we were in a bad state

 

[WYP]

I remember the state the UK was in before we joined the EU.

Can you elaborate? Sorry, I am just 23 and wasn't really there at the time.

I would love to hear your thoughts on how things have changed in the UK since then.

My thoughts are from an NI perspective, not being English I don't really know what you guys really think about all this. Sorry if this comes off as a little rude.

 

[mArTyN]

You're not being rude !
And being in your early 20's.....a perfectly good question !

 

[RobM]

The £ will recover rest assured, and I am sick of being told I voted emotionally I did not, nor did any of my circle of associates same as we did not because of immigration or becasue we do not like labour or tories or whatever.

Cameron needs to go and they need to replace him quickly as thats what now doing the damage to the country. Since we do not have a deputy pm were kind stuck with him untill he does go and whoever replaces him needs to be from the brexit camp but not Boris ever.

Pussy footing about for 3 months is going to do so much damage, invoke article 50 now and start sorting the damn mess so we acan all move forward get on with life.

 

[Greenback]

If I recall some of our problems back then were the same as the Eu's problems now to much bureaucracy and the people don't need to know, which isn't that surprising as our government was advised by some who went on to setup the EU

 

[barnsley]

The £ will recover rest assured, and I am sick of being told I voted emotionally I did not, nor did any of my circle of associates same as we did not because of immigration or becasue we do not like labour or tories or whatever.

Why did you vote leave then, if you don't mind me asking? Also even if you haven't, a large chunk certainly did..

 

[SeekaX]

I find it really annoying how so many are so out of touch with the people that voted out.
Claims it was a vote against the establishment or because of immigration
I voted to leave and am proud to have done so, Immigration for me had nothing to do with it. I am simply fed up with being directed by the EU.
It was a good idea initially when we joined the EU in what was then just a common market, it worked and did what it was set up for, but over the years it grew and grew and became more than just a trading agreement. Rules and regulations were being set by people I had not voted for or was ever able to vote for. Our fishing fleet was dissasembled.

Those saying it was about immigration can you explain why predominantly ethnic areas voted to leave? Birmingham, Bradford, Blackburn, Preston, and many areas with huge ethnic populations voted out.
Also citing areas that greatly benefit from EU funding such as Wales and heck Cornwall which I think get more EU funding yet they voted out.

It is deplorable to blame the older generation for ruining the countries future do we know what to come? no we do not but I have seen comments not so much here that state old people should not have been allowed to vote, and that 16 year olds should be allowed. and now calling for another referendum Sour grapes at having lost but its a 1 shot event not a best of three.
Accept it and move on.

The fact that the younger generation were more for remain is valid however had they turned out in full force or greater numbers then maybe just maybe the result would have been different.

I voted out because I want to keep our nation as a country not part of a united states of europe with a European army and opening up the NHS to USA companies

As far as the money being spent on the nhs I dont recall anyone actually saying it was going to be spent on the NHS. I do recall several times it stated as the money not being sent to the EU would be available for the NHS and that is quite a different statement indeed.

Gonna end here as Im starting to rant but I will close in saying that as a nation we need to come together and make this work and I know it can work. there are many opportunities to trade globally and continue to play a role

Why did you vote leave then, if you don't mind me asking? Also even if you haven't, a large chunk certainly did..

He voted emotionally, he just doesn't know it.

 

[Greenback]

He voted emotionally, he just doesn't know it.

You have been hanging about with to many SJW's and Feminist for that type of logic

 

[Warchild]

The £ will recover rest assured,

are you a clairvoyant??

No one knows what will happen with it. As long as there is no article 50 or contingency plan announced to the nation, the scepticism will invoke doubt in business' and public alike.

 

[barnsley]

You have been hanging about with to many SJW's and Feminist for that type of logic

Not really. If he was speaking SJW he'd have called him a racist by now. I can see his point though. Alot of it is based on assumptions as opposed to facts. The European federalism thing for example is an interesting one. The UK is (was) waay too independent within the EU for us to become more federated with them. I mean, we've had a history of digging ourselves a comfy spot. You know, not having the euro etc.

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Also citing areas that greatly benefit from EU funding such as Wales and heck Cornwall which I think get more EU funding yet they voted out.

Because some people who voted out (and it's alot more than most people seem to think) must have thought that immigration is a bigger threat than you know, money. IIRC Swansea voted out and thats amazing. They get a huge amount of eu funding. They'll regret it if/when the Government pulls us out and doesn't boost the funds they currently get.

I think alot of those votes were against our Government, not necessarily the EU (sounds weird I know). Then again I'm sure there was a fair share of 'immigrants will take all your jobs'.


People calling for the country to unite under brexit seem to underestimate quite how angry people who voted remain are.

 

[Mysterae]

Definitely a case of be careful what you wish for.

I think there was a lot of shortsightedness in people's decision to vote - in a general election if you back the losing party you'll get another chance in a few years, and lets be honest not much will change. With brexit however, we'll have to live with it for the next 20 years or so. I just hope that whoever ends up running the kingdom doesn't drive it in to the ground to prove a point.

I'll admit, I abstained from voting. Not that I couldn't be arsed, I simply couldn't make a conscious decision because of all the FUD from both sides. The politics was vile.

Had the vote gone the other way it would have been a case of 'what if?', but instead it's a case of 'what now?'.

 

[Greenback]

If I'm honest I really don't think we will leave, I think a lot who voted didn't think it would actually mean anything, people thought it would be rigged to make sure it was remain. Even on the night of the count one guest said people go with what they know thus remain, they weren't expecting such a high turn out of the leave camp even Scotland and Ireland didn't turn out in such high numbers only 30-36% of 18-24 year old's though remain meant so much to them. Even Farage and the leave camp didn't expect to win I think it was an ohwell we tried moment