That ASUS mobo...

It's the P5W DH Deluxe

Yes you need hacked drivers - think they're about on the web somewhere

Lanes are at 2 x 8x - but unless your using 2 x 7950's then you won't saturate the bandwidth and even then not by much
 
there are currently no full laned motherboards out that support c2d (without getting an older board) but tests show the difference between 2x8 and 2x16 is minimal (heck the 2x8 somehow beats it on some tests)
 
Kempez said:
It's the P5W DH Deluxe

Yes you need hacked drivers - think they're about on the web somewhere

Lanes are at 2 x 8x - but unless your using 2 x 7950's then you won't saturate the bandwidth and even then not by much
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Somewhere on the web... Its a pretty big place! Any clues on where, or what exactly i need to search for? I tried googling etc to no avail.

Come on, surely the x16 makes a big difference. I'll be running 2 7900's. Or if it makes no real difference now, what about future games? They might be x16 hungry?
 
MrSmith said:
Somewhere on the web... Its a pretty big place! Any clues on where, or what exactly i need to search for? I tried googling etc to no avail.

Come on, surely the x16 makes a big difference. I'll be running 2 7900's. Or if it makes no real difference now, what about future games? They might be x16 hungry?
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x16 is pretty overkill even for the most recent of cards.

I believe the SLI drivers were modded by XS. Might be worth checking over their neck of the woods.
 
Are there no reviews of the new asus board? I keep asking!!!! No one ever answers. PLease.

I just posted about the DFI being cancelled for a while, tbh, I cant wait till whenever that may be, or i will at least need a mobo in the mean time.

How do hacked drivers perform compared to genuine?

I found some comparisons between x8 and x16 SLi ~1%... How is this so?

In fact forget all my questions until the origonal is answered! Any info on the new P5N32-SLI PREMIUM/WIFI-AP. I know the specs, I want a review/OC results...
 
as you said before there doesnt seem to be any...is the board even out yet? if so it must be rare or something???
 
MrSmith said:
I found some comparisons between x8 and x16 SLi ~1%... How is this so?
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It's exactly as Kemp described earlier. Current video card technology doesn't even come close using all of the available bandwidth on an 8x PCI-E lane, and 16x is just complete overkill. I would say that not even a pair of 7950GX2's could utilize all of the bandwidth from dual 8x lanes.

And to be honest the move from AGP to PCI-E for video cards was and almost still is something not even necessary. AGP is a great design with a lot of bandwidth. The lanes are a bit slower than PCI-E but this doesn't make much of a performance hit (66mhz IIRC compared to PCI-E @ 100mhz). I remember a while back seeing some tests based on cards built for both AGP and PCI-E and the AGP cards perfomed just as well as the PCI-E cards. But as with anything in the computer world, it's all about future proofing. Sure, 16x PCI-E slots might be needed in the future but I'm almost positive you will have upgraded your mobo more than once before you actually NEED dual 16x PCI-E.

And a quick search I wasn't able to come up with anything for the Asus board either, sorry mate.

Edit: Still a bit off topic, sorry. But I was able to dig up a pretty good article on AGP vs. PCI-E HERE. As you can see, AGP holds right in there with PCI-E until bus speed becomes a factor at high resolutions trying to run max antialiasing. It would be an interesting shootout with a pair of newer generation video cards built for both PCI-E and AGP. Maybe we could set something up?
 
name='mrapoc' said:
as you said before there doesnt seem to be any...is the board even out yet? if so it must be rare or something???
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Nope it's not out until, next week! It is a n590, I just thought, by now, some would have been sent out for testing...
 
FragTek said:
It's exactly as Kemp described earlier. Current video card technology doesn't even come close using all of the available bandwidth on an 8x PCI-E lane, and 16x is just complete overkill. I would say that not even a pair of 7950GX2's could utilize all of the bandwidth from dual 8x lanes.

And to be honest the move from AGP to PCI-E for video cards was and almost still is something not even necessary. AGP is a great design with a lot of bandwidth. The lanes are a bit slower than PCI-E but this doesn't make much of a performance hit (66mhz IIRC compared to PCI-E @ 100mhz). I remember a while back seeing some tests based on cards built for both AGP and PCI-E and the AGP cards perfomed just as well as the PCI-E cards. But as with anything in the computer world, it's all about future proofing. Sure, 16x PCI-E slots might be needed in the future but I'm almost positive you will have upgraded your mobo more than once before you actually NEED dual 16x PCI-E.

And a quick search I wasn't able to come up with anything for the Asus board either, sorry mate.

Edit: Still a bit off topic, sorry. But I was able to dig up a pretty good article on AGP vs. PCI-E HERE. As you can see, AGP holds right in there with PCI-E until bus speed becomes a factor at high resolutions trying to run max antialiasing. It would be an interesting shootout with a pair of newer generation video cards built for both PCI-E and AGP. Maybe we could set something up?
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It's a bit off topic but stil relevant as it is a massive factor in my decision making process. tbh, I hadn't bothered making any comparisons between x8 and x16; I assumed x16 was much faster. As this was the case, this limited my selection to the none existent C2D x16 SLi range...

Now a whole host of possible boards are on the cards. I think I may opt for the P5W DH, although I found something interesting about the other P5B(?) a new official bios that unlocked the mulitpliers up and down (or just up for most, or was it down - when i get home i'll confirm) for C2D's. If the hacked drivers support my 7900's happy days. Finally order and have a pc in no time...
 
The P5B allows for downward selection of multi's on all C2D chips using BIOS 0507 (or was it 0705) :p

I'm running 8x475 at the mo :p
 
XMS said:
The P5B allows for downward selection of multi's on all C2D chips using BIOS 0507 (or was it 0705) :p

I'm running 8x475 at the mo :p
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I see an order happening tonight! Ahh, my poor bank balance :D
 
MrSmith said:
Hold up!

Is the W DH better then the B? Can you giv eme a quick pro's and con's of both?

I better get back to work
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P5W DH supports Crossfire and unofficially SLI and is based around 975X chipset.

P5B doesn't support crossfire but does unofficially support SLI and is based around the newer 965 chipset (yes it's newer).

P5B's also generally clock higher.

(and in case ur wondering - as we proved earlier in this thread - there is NO difference in performance between 965 & 975 chipsets),
 
XMS said:
P5W DH supports Crossfire and unofficially SLI and is based around 975X chipset.

P5B doesn't support crossfire but does unofficially support SLI and is based around the newer 965 chipset (yes it's newer).

P5B's also generally clock higher.

(and in case ur wondering - as we proved earlier in this thread - there is NO difference in performance between 965 & 975 chipsets),
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So, is the P5B better than the P5W DH? i might start a thread and see what ppl think. I really appreciate your help mate!
 
id go with p5b as im not looking for xfire and sli support. if i need more power id go with a x1950xt-x for xample
 
name='mrapoc' said:
id go with p5b as im not looking for xfire and sli support. if i need more power id go with a x1950xt-x for xample
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I HAVE to have SLi support. You made that sould like the P5B doesn't support either SLi or xfire!?
 
Looks like the P5B is your best choice as it works with SLI and also clocks a bit better. Seems like a no brainer to me :) Then you can keep the cards you already have as well!
 
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