Dicehunter
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Fair point
Everyone is free to do their own thing, I just find it annoying considering my aunt was a time served fully qualified nurse, She should've known better
Smoking Sucks !
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Everyone is free to do their own thing, I just find it annoying considering my aunt was a time served fully qualified nurse, She should've known better
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Eating unhealthy as recommended can leads to various illnesses and can eventually kill you. Just like a virus can. It's completely comparable. If you disagree that's wrong but whatever, then compare it to the flu. It kills people. It's recommended to get a flu shot. Many people don't. Are they idiots for that? I don't think so. Same principal. Just because you don't like it doesn't automatically make it ok to label all who disagree with you as an idiot. That's immature.
To further answer you, what people eat is their own choice I agree. Yet so is what they do to their bodies, so why does it change when it's a virus? There's a million more deadly things than covid. There's guidelines for so many things that people ignore. Doesn't make them idiots(obviously in situations such as professional work such as electrical you have to unless you want to die immediately).
Just think, if it was a guideline and recommended, means it's perfectly okay to not to. They give a choice. If it was important, they would enforce it. They stopped enforcing it. Pretty reasonable to see it's therefore not as important.
Anyway point is, let them do what they want. Drugs and alcohol are bad for you and you can disagree without being labeled an idiot(or anything in general for that matter).
Everyone is free to do their own thing, I just find it annoying considering my aunt was a time served fully qualified nurse, She should've known better
Well just over a week ago I was in hospital because of an Abscess in my upper right leg, very close to the delicate area.
Whilst I was in hospital, I went 2 day's without one, without any cravings etc and even when nurses etc came to me and I could smell it on them I still didn't want/need a smoke.
I got home though and it was like a light switch, within a few hours I was grabbing a pack and lighting one up.
Whilst in hospital though, I was close enough to a window to see out of it, and could see nurses and doctor's going for a smoke all day.
Had one doctor tell me I should stop, and I just replied "So should you" and he laughed.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
Yeah doctors and nurses are the biggest hypocrites, Both my aunts were nurses, Both smoked like factories, My uncle was a smoker up until last year when he inevitably developed cancer, Luckily he caught it in time.
AlienALX
Well-known member
Everyone is free to do their own thing, I just find it annoying considering my aunt was a time served fully qualified nurse, She should've known better
Even in your game people abuse themselves dude. Steroids. How many people who are fitness mad put all sorts of e into their bodies? without knowing the effects, long term effects and etc?
There are just as many really terrible pills going around in the fitness community. Tablets loaded with caffeine etc. That is really addictive too, and not good for your heart.
Even athletes have been caught doping. In fact, in Russia it's actually allowed.
Damien has a point tbh. Maybe he is on the extreme side of that point, but it is valid. People do what makes them happy. Or things they enjoy. Some people enjoy smoking. It's a nice way to wind down etc. Bottom line? we are all going to die. Of something. And sometimes that something is totally unrelated to our lifestyle.
I have a cousin. He is 43. He doesn't drink that much and no longer uses weed. He switched to vape for a few years, then went back to smoking. Two weeks ago he had a massive heart attack. So bad it damaged his heart. He's not fat, he's not even remotely overweight and he is very fit (builder by trade). Turns out he had bad veins near his heart that caused a clot. Nothing to do with smoking believe it or not. Yet, he was still smoking before that even though his father died of lung cancer a few years ago.
I don't drink. I haven't in 20 years. Mostly because of the brain pills I am on, combined with the benzos I take to sleep. I know the dangers. Take a benzo, drink alcohol, stop breathing in your sleep. Or, some of the pills I have been on have been bad for your liver, so lots of drinking water (and peeing) and absolutely no alcohol. At all.
It hasn't been a big loss. In fact, I don't miss waking up suicidal after being drunk. At all. Those were probably my most dangerous moments, other than the two big overdoses I have taken.
That said Damien? you need to look after yourself a bit better mate. All I could really do was switch to vaping and keep active. There is no way in hell (especially because nicotine is really very good for depression and those who lack serotonin !) I was ever going to be able to stop smoking otherwise.
That now is the only real risk I take. However, I know my body and I know what it was like when I smoked compared to now. It's not even the same solar system, let alone planet.
I did vape for a few years but after it caused me to develop pneumonia multiple times, and finding out I am allergic to the only flavours of liquid I could vape, it stopped me being able to vape.
I am overweight, smoke and basically don't do any exercise, but other than getting out of breath easily which has been attributed to the damage to my lungs because of the pneumonia, Doctor's have said I am otherwise healthy other than my weight, because my blood pressure is good, I am not diabetic etc etc, the ones I have seen are suprised at how I am considering everything.
The Abscess was caused by a ingrown hair, something I suffer from all over, there is nothing I can do to stop it, other than have something to get rid of all hair on my body and stop it growing back.
I will be getting things sorted out, but I am concentrating on paying debt's off at the moment, because I don't want to put to much pressure on myself trying to do to much at once.
I am overweight, smoke and basically don't do any exercise, but other than getting out of breath easily which has been attributed to the damage to my lungs because of the pneumonia, Doctor's have said I am otherwise healthy other than my weight, because my blood pressure is good, I am not diabetic etc etc, the ones I have seen are suprised at how I am considering everything.
The Abscess was caused by a ingrown hair, something I suffer from all over, there is nothing I can do to stop it, other than have something to get rid of all hair on my body and stop it growing back.
I will be getting things sorted out, but I am concentrating on paying debt's off at the moment, because I don't want to put to much pressure on myself trying to do to much at once.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
Yep but I don't consider any of these types of people truly into health and fitness as it's just not a healthy practise, Steroids have decades worth of research that show they do tremendous amounts of damage to the heart, Liver and kidneys in the longterm.
Then there's the various stimulants on the market which are sold as pre-workout, They are bloody horrible, A lot can cause a serious crash in serotonin levels, Heart palpitations, Overdose on caffeine etc... it's pretty horrendous what's on the market.
The only supplements I recommend to my clients are a good plain whey isolate which is just a dairy bi-product, A good multi vitamin and if they are lactose intolerant then a pea-protein powder which is one of the cleanest proteins you can ingest, Meanwhile many many other PT's are recommending so many chemical laden shakes, Pre-workouts, Powders etc... I find it disgusting, Food should be the number 1 source of macro and micro nutrients, Supplements are just there to fill the gaps and the supplements should be as close to the source as possible i.e made from whole foods.
/rant ^_^
You are all right, people can do what they want with their bodies. We cannot force them to stop smoking, stop steroids, over eating on junk etc.
My only issue with smoking and vaping is the fact that it is not limited to just the smoker/vaper. I'm so sick and tired of having to inhale secondary smoke from people in public or from friends at social gatherings.
Luckily almost all that is banned in Norway when it comes to public seated areas, but when I go back to the UK, its pretty much the one thing I hate having to experience over again. Lost my dad to smoking and bad heart, lost my cousin from secondary smoke inhalation as my uncle was a chain smoker. He is now in severe depression due to the realisation his smoking caused someone else's death, and the depression prevents him from quitting.
My only issue with smoking and vaping is the fact that it is not limited to just the smoker/vaper. I'm so sick and tired of having to inhale secondary smoke from people in public or from friends at social gatherings.
Luckily almost all that is banned in Norway when it comes to public seated areas, but when I go back to the UK, its pretty much the one thing I hate having to experience over again. Lost my dad to smoking and bad heart, lost my cousin from secondary smoke inhalation as my uncle was a chain smoker. He is now in severe depression due to the realisation his smoking caused someone else's death, and the depression prevents him from quitting.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Just talked to a coworker. His ex girlfriend used to vape. It bothered him but he cared deeply about her so they compromised on when she would so do it. They both were starting to really care for one another and she eventually asked him to help her with her vaping "problem". According to him it was more like an addiction. All the classic signs of a normal cigarette smoker addict. Once she realized he was helping her get rid of it, she went off on him. Even though she asked him for help. Basically once she subconsciously became aware of the fear of losing it (because he was helping her out and clear her head) the drug took hold and her addiction meant more to her than he did. So she left him and eventually apologized saying she was wrong and she just needs to work through it herself. Months later still vaping 24/7.
Quite sad to hear this thing which is hardly regulated in the US is now allowing 18 year olds (and probably younger too) become addicted. All because they successfully market the product as "completely safe and a perfect healthy alternative to cigarettes". Which is completely false.
So ya Dice, smoking sucks!
Quite sad to hear this thing which is hardly regulated in the US is now allowing 18 year olds (and probably younger too) become addicted. All because they successfully market the product as "completely safe and a perfect healthy alternative to cigarettes". Which is completely false.
So ya Dice, smoking sucks!
My dad had smoked since he was 10 because back in the 50s they said smoking was actually healthy for you with certain brands.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
Well my aunt died yesterday morning but I only found out about it early this morning, At 76 years of age, Young considering my family routinely lives to 95 when not voluntarily poisoning ourselves.
Her daughter has not stopped smoking or stopped drinking and I doubt she will quit any time soon even though it has claimed a total of 4 family members now.
Her daughter has not stopped smoking or stopped drinking and I doubt she will quit any time soon even though it has claimed a total of 4 family members now.
Dark NighT
New member
Sorry to hear this Dice... my condolences
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
Appreciated, We were all warning her for the better part of 3 decades, There's only so much you can do sadly.
AlienALX
Well-known member
76 is still a ripe age dude. My dad died at 35 and was a party smoker (IE he smoked at the weekends, maybe 10 the whole weekend).
Some people don't want to live to 90 odd either. Looking at my mother in her 70s? well she can barely move, barely walk, has all sorts of other issues etc etc. Sod that. To me? I don't enjoy life enough to make all that worth it.
Everything is the same as everything. Moderation. Only we are not programmed that way, or, very few of us are.
As for vaping? The only thing it has in common with smoking is nicotine. Other than that it is completely different.
Now I agree that I hate public smoking. It absolutely stinks. At the end of the day here (I live opposite a pub at mum's place) my bedroom stinks like an ash tray. Vaping however? does not do that, given it is vapour and not actually burning smoke.
And yes, vaping with nicotine is highly addictive and should not be pushed anywhere or advertised anywhere. Just like smoking.
However, the day that stops happening? will be the day they stop advertising alcohol and filling supermarkets with it. IE, the 12th day of never. There's simply too much money in it.
Society tells us to consume. No matter what it is, they want us doing it to extremes. Watching videos on YT for the ad revenue, staring at our phones for ad revenue and control etc etc. All of those things are just as bad for you as anything else in life. Once again, it all comes down to moderation. Only no chance. We are not told that, and we are not raised that way. Consume consume consume. No matter what, do it in high volume and make the most revenue. Smoking, vaping, drinking, watching TV, eating, snacking, etc etc.
And the problem is as humans where we mostly love doing things to extremes? well, that is what ends up happening.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
In todays world I wouldn't say 76 is old old, Maybe if you've abused your body, Worked 6 day weeks doing hard labour, Eaten crap and pumped your body full of poison for decades then yeah I suppose for that type of person 76 is old but my family routinely lives to early to mid 90's, We have exceptionally good diets, Apart from both my aunts, And 2 other family members, Who veered from the family norm and decided to emulate Victorian chimneys.
Plus we do not look our age, My dad is 75 and he looks and moves like he's in his 50's, Diet, Supplementation, Regular exercise and skin care routine, All things I have set up for the majority of my family that actually want to utilise my qualifications ^_^ My aunt before she died of smoking looked in her 50's albeit very tired due to the cancer, I look in my early 20's but I'm 35, We have decent genes in that regard.
Appreciated
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NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Sorry to hear about that bud. Hope you're doing good.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
Appreciated but I'm fine, It's been coming for a loooooonnnngggg time so it's not a shock, I'm sad yes but this was inevitable with the amount she smoked.
