Need help with overclocking :o)

[tinytomlogan]

Hate to say this mate but unless your room is 10c then theres no way your temps are that low Im affaid.

Use core temp to monitor your temps.

And belive me Tt stuff isnt all that, so many people fall into Tt stuff as its a big name, but the quality really isnt there.

 

[Mul.]

Hate to say this mate but unless your room is 10c then theres no way your temps are that low Im affaid.

Use core temp to monitor your temps.

And belive me Tt stuff isnt all that, so many people fall into Tt stuff as its a big name, but the quality really isnt there.

I agree with tinytomlogan on this one. Thermaltake are very much like today's run of the mill cars from Ford, Vauxhall/Opel and so on. They're cramming as many gadgets and extras into them as possible as standard and have changed the styling to make them stand out more. Fact of the matter is that they aren't screwed together as well as luxury vehicles. Back to the context of cases, Thermaltakes, while full of gadgets and styling tweaks, their build quality has nothing on cases like the Silverstone FT01 and TJ07, Lian Li's V1000+ for example.

The thermaltake watercooling loop probably doesn't cool badly as such. I can imagine it cooling as well as a high end heatpipe air cooler, maybe a tad better at a push but the fact of the matter is that you don't spend above all odds on a case with a watercooling kit for it to compete with a cooler that costs say, £30?

The Thermaltake Armor is probably one of their better cases though so I'll give you that. Also I'm not sure whether you're kidding or not but just because a case is endorsed by a manufacturer doesn't mean the case is intended for those components as such

 

[yiannis667]

First of all I like the case , i never said that TT liquid system is TOP BRAND . I am not a << fan >> of any brand either but i just couldnt find a spacier,nicer case with all those extras at that price(at least were i live).But there is no way i believe that you can compare Liquid Cooling ( good or average ) with a heat pipe air cooler . Why ? Because I got the copper fins ( i have purchased a different cpu waterblock that the system came with ) , i have 2 fans on top of it and in the middle i also have the liquidcooling going to the cpu waterblock.And the pump that this case has is 500 Litters per Hour which for internal pre installed liquid cooling system is VERY GOOD specs the 780 Big Water and for that price.It self it sells where i live for around 150 Euros (from e-shop.gr) and i got the whole case with it pre installed at 280 Euros.It has fans on top of the radiator too but i guess thats standard for all watercoolingSocket Temps average 17 to 23 Celcius MAX to be exact and its pretty good.When i had a Gigabyte Rocket 2 heatpipe fan at max RPM ( around 45 - 60 Euros ) my idle temp for socket was between 34 to 38 C.So at my current setup i get at least 15 C LOWER temperature .Which is good ! Even if its socket temp and not CORE TEMP ! I also get 8 to 10 C lower case temp which is also good ! Not to mention that i have the 9600gt 1gb overclocked and itself generates 42 C idle temp ( it has those heatpipes you are talking about cause i cant find a waterblock for her to cool ram and processor yet...I have too manu fans in this case too and she has a good airflow design.Not to mention that across the case i have a 24000 btu split type Samsung Vivace A.C throwing 16 C cold air in the side 230 MM case fan ...ANYWAYS , HERE IS MY BIG PROBLEM --- > Anybody know how to mess with advanced memory timings,driving settings so that i can O.C my pc E8500 and ddr2 Memory 800 mhz ? Memory timings are 400 mhz 5-5-5-18 , 266 4-4-4-12 OR 200 3-3-3-9 . Why does my bios has G mch options to choose from 200,266,333 by the time my memory is 200,266,400 ? If i set cpu fsb 400 x 9.5 and set memory mhz to 333 , multiplier 2.00 b i get frequency 800 mhz but still system wont boot . If i stay at 343 x 9.5 cpu fsb i can overclock memory to 915 mhz or downclock to 686 mhz but any higher cpu fsb and pc wont post :nono: Anybody has any ideas ? THANK YOU

 

[yiannis667]

140 mm PSU Tagan Fan hitting cpu waterblock , 3 x corsair dominator fans , 5 x 140 mm aerocool v12 fans , 1 TT 120 MM led programmable led , 1 140 MM radiator fan TT , 1 230 MM TT fan plus the cpu waterblock and the Aircondition across from the case ! Here are the pics

 

[Mul.]

That's because you're comparing your watercooling unit against the Gigabyte Rocket II, which is an entry level/midrange air cooler. All I'm saying is you might've been better off buying a more standard case like the Antec Three Hundred for a LOT less and using the money you saved on a quality heatpipe air cooler and a decent motherboard. Whether it runs cooler or not is a different issue but you'd certainly be overclocked to around 4.0GHz by now

As for your question about DRAM Frequencies, the 200, 266 and 333 only hold true at default FSB's. The A,B or C that follows it refers to the Northbridge FSB Strap.

Memory frequencies are linked to the FSB, so any changes to the FSB directly affect the Memory frequencies too. Changing the memory frequency in BIOS changes the ratio, or the proportion to which the memory will increase when changing FSB's.

So setting 333 with a CPU with a default fsb of 333 means that your RAM is running 1:1 with the CPU, which is fine. Shouldn't be holding you back at all. Setting a higher ratio with the "C" strap should get you the higher DRAM frequency that you want.

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Also a quote from a user report about this motherboard, which helps confirm that the motherboard is the culprit here

I'm having some real problems with overclocking. I contacted gigabyte support and they told me "Overclocking is not supported" on this model mobo. Even tho they include core clock and speed controls in the bios, "its not supported". However, I believe its because I'm using onboard video, which in turn uses my ram for video. Maybe my ram gets pumped too high for videos. I dont know. The BUS wont go over 343 in the bios and its really sad.

 

[yiannis667]

That's because you're comparing your watercooling unit against the Gigabyte Rocket II, which is an entry level/midrange air cooler. All I'm saying is you might've been better off buying a more standard case like the Antec Three Hundred for a LOT less and using the money you saved on a quality heatpipe air cooler and a decent motherboard. Whether it runs cooler or not is a different issue but you'd certainly be overclocked to around 4.0GHz by now

As for your question about DRAM Frequencies, the 200, 266 and 333 only hold true at default FSB's. The A,B or C that follows it refers to the Northbridge FSB Strap.

Memory frequencies are linked to the FSB, so any changes to the FSB directly affect the Memory frequencies too. Changing the memory frequency in BIOS changes the ratio, or the proportion to which the memory will increase when changing FSB's.

So setting 333 with a CPU with a default fsb of 333 means that your RAM is running 1:1 with the CPU, which is fine. Shouldn't be holding you back at all. Setting a higher ratio with the "C" strap should get you the higher DRAM frequency that you want.

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Also a quote from a user report about this motherboard, which helps confirm that the motherboard is the culprit here

%$#% Damn It ! Gigabyte Sucks ! aLL Gigabyte Sucks ! Gigabyte is like a mid Range Ford ! It has Power Locks But They are not Working ! hahahahah , its soooooo sad I will never buy Gigabyte Products Again ! Oh my God ! My Video Card Is A Gigabyte Nvidia 9600 GT 1gb And Sucks Too !!!! I am Saving Money ( which will take a loooooong time i have a lot of expenses and courts now ) and buy an EVGA X58 Classified Mobo , A socket 1366 EXTREME processor , 12Gigs of CORSAIR GAMING RAM at highest clock frequency, 3 Nvidia EVGA 295 GTX cards ( when they come out ), a tagan 1300 to 1500 w psu(if they make 1500w).this Gigabyte mobo got me thinking .... At least i found out that i was doing everything correctly , my head was about to explode ... When i find the money for all of this Intel might have released socket 1600 ? ..! That sucks ... I was about to get ASUS striker 2 extreme for lga775 and intel got out the 1366 series.If i am not mistaking they say by the end of this year they will release even a newer socket type CPU the 1390 ? 1600 ? something like that.Well i am just putting money on the side from Xmas ! So far my pc can run all games at very good quality and most of them at high specs with no lag at all. ( Besides Crysis 64 bit at ultra high all settings with AA which runs with some lag ) Thank you all for your responses and GIGABYTE SUCKS ! :wavey:

 

[yiannis667]

Oh I Forgor ..... I will keep my Armor+ LCS case

 

[Mul.]

Careful there. A bad experience overclocking one Gigabyte model doesn't mean they're all rubbish. Your motherboard was never intended for enthusiasts and overclockers. It's for those who want to build entry level and lower midrange setups, hence the G41 chipset. Had you bought something like a Gigabyte EP45 UD3 series motherboard, you would've been much more impressed.

For your next build, it's imperative that you are careful with how you spend your money. Just as equally spending huge sums of money on boards like the Striker and the eVGA X58 Classified edition won't necessarily get you more performance. Think to yourself what exactly you want your system to acheive. Then carry out sufficient research to work out which parts will be able to do that without going overkill on components that won't get you much further. Acheiving that "bang per buck" saying with components will hopefully mean that you get the performance that you're after while taking advantage of the money savings involved in building your own pc

 

[yiannis667]

Anybody had a similar issue like i am ? I got this SoundBlaster XFI PRO fatality championship series ( without the bay ) and this $#@$@ card wont sit in the micro atx mobo ! the VGA cooler was blocking the cover of the sound card ! So i had to remove the protective cover from the sound card and run it the old fashioned way NAKED ! What sucks is that they sell the same card for 40 Euros Cheaper ( without the cover ) and i payed 40 Euros more to have the cover which i had to remove in order to sit the card in the mobo ! It will stay that way until i upgrade to an sli mobo I am really having no luck at all here !!!

 

[yiannis667]

Careful there. A bad experience overclocking one Gigabyte model doesn't mean they're all rubbish. Your motherboard was never intended for enthusiasts and overclockers. It's for those who want to build entry level and lower midrange setups, hence the G41 chipset. Had you bought something like a Gigabyte EP45 UD3 series motherboard, you would've been much more impressed.

For your next build, it's imperative that you are careful with how you spend your money. Just as equally spending huge sums of money on boards like the Striker and the eVGA X58 Classified edition won't necessarily get you more performance. Think to yourself what exactly you want your system to acheive. Then carry out sufficient research to work out which parts will be able to do that without going overkill on components that won't get you much further. Acheiving that "bang per buck" saying with components will hopefully mean that you get the performance that you're after while taking advantage of the money savings involved in building your own pc

I want to build a VERY GOOD GAMING SYSTEM TOP NOTCH , any suggestions ? I want to have at least 2 way sli with quad sli capable mobo.I want a system that i can play games and know that the quality that i will get cant be any better than it shows here.I guess x58 classified is the way to start with the 1366 socket , So that it doesnt get outdated too soon . Any Suggestions will be appreciated.Until then i am looking to change the mobo that i currently have.I want a bang for the buck mobo that will allow me to have SLI and can overclock my cpu e8500 to 4 ghz Any suggestions ? I m buying from E-SHOP.GR check them out and let me know THANKS

 

[yiannis667]

i found the mobo you are talking about Gigabyte EP45-UD3 featuring the p45 intel chipset.Does this mobo support double sided memory up to 16 gigabytes ? Cause the one i have now it wont take more than 4 gb of double sided memory and i cant find single sided memory to buy.Will i be able to overclock to 4 ghz my e8500 with this mobo ? THX

 

[Mul.]

Do you want SLI because you feel that it's a requirement or do you want SLI just for the sake of having it and "future proofing"? Opting for a dual GPU solution for the last two reasons are very wrong. It's worth stating that how well SLI scales in performance in a game will depend on how well the nVidia drivers are optimised for it and how GPU dependant the game is. Very rarely does buying a second graphics card to operate in SLI mean a 2x speed up. SLI and Crossfire really come into their own when you use high resolution monitors, so we're talking resolutions like 2560x1600. Looking at your setup you seem to be using a HDTV so I'm guessing the native resolution of this monitor is 1920x1080? In my opinion, top end graphics cards like the GeForce GTX 285 can play most games at this resolution adequately and I'd imagine by the time a game comes out that can't do this, another single graphics card will be released that's as fast as two current gen cards in SLI.

As for a good motherboard to overclock your E8500, there aren't many that I can certainly say will max out your cpu that also have SLI support. Seeing that for now you only have a 9600GT, it doesn't make much sense to run these in SLI so I'd just get a P45 based motherboard.

This would have done the trick

http://www.e-shop.gr/show_per.phtml?id=PER.526795

 

[yiannis667]

Most Gigabyte Mobos Support Crossfire Setup so i guess i had to go with a bang for the buck asus board that i can effectively overclock my e8500 and ddr 800 mhz memory.Do you think ASUS P5-ND is a good mobo to do that ? it also has sli which i just want to have for maybe future upgrades.I wont run the 9600gt in sli.I will buy a better card and sli them ( if i ever do that ) , the gigabyte p45-ud3 vs asus p5-nd which one do you recommend ? thanks

 

[Mul.]

The P45-UD3L as it's chipset runs cooler, uses less power, is more likely to hit a higher FSB, VDroops less and personally I don't think it's worth those compromises just to potentially go SLI later.

 

[yiannis667]

ep45-ud3 is faster but doesnt have sli i also have another ga mobo the GA 73 PVM S2 i will try to overclock there before buying anything else i think it has the nvidia 630 i chipset . I think the GA mobo you suggested me is much better than asus p5nd . More fsb options and more memory options.As for the SLI .... If you dont have memory and fsb , do what with it !

 

[tinytomlogan]

Right lets chime in, if you want to overclock to 4gig AND run sli then Im affriad you only option is a 790i motherboard dude.

Quad sli just means you run 2 cards like the 295 or the 9800GX2 NOT 4 single gpu's on 1 mobo.

The reason why the mobos dont have sli is all sli mobo's pre i7 have to have an Nvidia chipset, and they were all rerally bad at overclocking prior to the 790i.

Nvid gave up in the end and thats why the I7 mobos now support SLi.

What cards are you planning on running? As tbh unless you have to have sli Id would hand on heart say spend more money on 1 card OR get a motherboard that supports crossfire AND has 2x 16lane pcie and buy ATI cards.

Also can you break yous posts down to paragraphs, its just so it makes it easier for us all to read.

 

[yiannis667]

Right ex. 2 Gtx 295=Quad Sli but the mobo has to support it

The x58 Classified tho has 4 pci express slots itself

So i guess i am on the right way to save money , see if intel introduces a newer chipset by the end of the year

and go with the best ( propably spend around 3.000 Euros )

Thanks :wavey:

 

[tinytomlogan]

The Classified does have 4 slots BUT if you run all 4 slots it DOESNT run them all @ 16x, they drop down to 8x (half bandwidth speed)

And yeah thats what I said about quad sli, but even if you got 4 cards mate most games wont scale well and youll have little some times worse performance which is why I asked what cards to gauge wether 1 good card would be better than a bank of them.

More cards = more heat, more power required and a bigger PSU needed to do it.

 

[yiannis667]

The Classified does have 4 slots BUT if you run all 4 slots it DOESNT run them all @ 16x, they drop down to 8x (half bandwidth speed)

And yeah thats what I said about quad sli, but even if you got 4 cards mate most games wont scale well and youll have little some times worse performance which is why I asked what cards to gauge wether 1 good card would be better than a bank of them.

More cards = more heat, more power required and a bigger PSU needed to do it.

LoL , imagine 3 or 4 Pci xpress video cards running at a full full full scale system.The heat produced and the power consumption will be like running my air condition on heat 10 hours a day on a cold day So if i deside to keep my system until i am no longer able to run 1920 x 1080 p games in high quality and be satisfied with the performance , should i just get the Gigabyte Ep45 UD3 or EP 45 UD3R ? And when i decide to upgrade just change everything.Should i get EP45 UD3R and will i be able to overclock to 4 ghz my e8500 using that chipset ?

 

[Diablo]

I'd go for an x48/p45, on the basis 790is aren't actually that good at clocking, and the northbridge runs hotter than the centre of the sun