LOG Quarter Finals - De_CPL_Fire

[[Ins]]

Final team (tbc) will be something along the lines of:

Ins

Oxo

Lloyd

Rig (mEm)

????

I've been told that Phunky would like to play also, but that means others will need to drop. I'm happy to drop out if Tom / Jim / Timmy wants to play? Or I can tell Rig that we don't need him, but tbh, I think we should use him!

Therefore can you lads add Rig, D and Phunky to the LOG list as I think it'll be a good idea to get them onboard just in case we need to use them in this round, or if we get through, in the semis / final!

Also we had a very good PCW last night on Fire. We managed to get about 3 rounds, but it's better to be battered than play easy games. Mind you, we were playing some of the top UK players, so it wasn't ever going to be easy.

One thing that did come out of it was some comments from Rig and Phunky. Both said that we've got to be (and I quote) "f**king aggressive". We hang about too much according to them and Rig said to me "Just play aggressive, rush positions and take the map by the scruff of the neck". He said that I used to be "a lot more aggressive" and that I just sat back.

I think part of the problem is that we've played the easy games, the low-mid / mid clans and never really branched out to play the teams that batter us. Like I said to the lads last night, if we played high skilled teams all the time, our reactions would improve, our tactics would improve and we'd learn to being f*cking ruthless!

That's what the game is about, being damn ruthless, believing that you're the best and each round, being damn aggressive but above all, organised (i.e. don't go running off rambo style haha).

I think this team will go places and after LOG I'd like to get us hammering ED again, but we need to play aggressive and really go out to dominate teams. It's the ONLY way we'll get better!

 

[jiffz]

That sounds like my sorta attitude!! Used to love getting stuck in, I'm not a fan of trotting about - Once one person gets picked off, it puts a downer on the round from the start...

Isn't XMS supposed to be in that lineup btw?? Jimbob ftw

 

[JN]

I don't mind stepping out of this one if needed. I've been a little rusty recently. But if you need/want me just should - i'll deffo be available.

 

[Ham]

If phunky cant play my choice would be tom (sorry jim, but im assuming Rig is a good awper). What happened to danny?

And we still need one of the preivious posted days next week that everyone is avalible!

 

[llwyd]

D = danny

I'm torn between worrying who plays and being able to wipe the confident grin off Balths face tbh. I think INS should just choose the team who he thinks should play based on current form. I'd be happy to sit out for anyone better to play, regardless of future plans

 

[[Ins]]

Well I don't want to drop players out really. The last list I posted up didn't include Jim only because I wasn't sure if he had loads of reviews on. I wasn't "picking" the team as such.

All I know is that Rig said he'd play. Actually his words were "if I say I'll play, I'll deffo play, 100%". So he'll be in. Rig is good at awping, so we'll have that based covered also.

Regarding D, I'm not sure what time he finishes work. I know for sure that he'll play IF he's home, but I really don't think he'll be online until later on.

Phunky will also be about so we just need to confirm a date and time with him. Also, don't under-rate him. He battered us last night and tactically is one of the best around! I'd even be happy to let him call it if needs be.

So.....I think we need to make a decision on who plays and who doesn't. I don't want to drop people out as everyone has played well. However my feelings are that the team should be something like:

Rig - For obvious reasons, he's awesome.

Phunky - Tactically awesome and a great aim.

Oxo - Our best player yesterday and solid enough to lock A down.

Tom - Has played B site really well and knows the position.

Final spot between Ins, XMS and Lloyd. We have a sniper in Rig, so if Jimbo played, we'd need you as a gunner dude. Lloyd has played B site well with Tom, but so this position would stay the same. I would not play mid, Rig would go here and I'd play in B site with Tom if I played.

So there you go, let me know what you think. Positions off the top of my head would be:

Ins or XMS or Lloyd + Tom in B (the site that gets rushed a lot).

Rig at Mid (cos he's damn good at awping)

Oxo + Phunky in A (cos Phunky proved that he pushes up well in that site).

The plan for this map will be to let Rig and Phunky lock down that middle area by playing aggressive and pushing up to take them down.

The B site players will also push some rounds and I'll show you where that will be (there are two positions).

This leaves Oxo in A and I think this will be more of a passive position as to allow you to back up ASAP.

If the above team plays and plays aggressively, we will win this, I have no doubt at all!

 

[Ham]

I vote for Ins. I don't care who plays, just want too knock CC out now.

 

[[Ins]]

Also, can we check the rules about new players playing?

Questions:

1. Can new players play in the cup stages?

2. If so, can we get them added ASAP.

3. If not, then we need to get them to alias.

4. Are steam ID's recorded on the site? This will have an impact on how we play the game, unless the lads log in using our accounts.

Cheers!!

 

[Ham]

Questions:

1. Can new players play in the cup stages? - Yes

2. If so, can we get them added ASAP. - DAAAVVE!

3. If not, then we need to get them to alias.

4. Are steam ID's recorded on the site? This will have an impact on how we play the game, unless the lads log in using our accounts. - No theyre not

 

[equk]

Doesn't playing merc's make a mockery of everything OC3D have worked for as a team

I think if you win with merc's carrying you, you've achieved nothing as a team.

 

[jiffz]

Yes but not all of us have been able to play constantly due to comp problems, work, social stuff etc. These UK^Unit guys will just take the glory where we have the opportunity here to put an award next to OC3D's name. We still have core members in the team (the ones who have been playing a lot) and others are happy to step aside for this one game to add a little extra punch

I love the optimism you bring to the clan EQUK. It's great.

 

[equk]

Yes but not all of us have been able to play constantly due to comp problems, work, social stuff etc. These UK^Unit guys will just take the glory where we have the opportunity here to put an award next to OC3D's name. We still have core members in the team (the ones who have been playing a lot) and others are happy to step aside for this one game to add a little extra punch

I love the optimism you bring to the clan EQUK. It's great.

I'm just being honest.

If you are not active, have the respect to pull out (altho the 1st team is active, so that's not really an excuse)

I know exactly what it's like when a clan uses merc's to win. (have seen it happen in quake3 many times and many times the clans have been disqualified)

we have the opportunity here to put an award next to OC3D's name

Win at all costs seems to be the motto in counter-strike, whether it be to cheat or to get merc's to do it for you.

Do you think people will respect OC3D if they find out you've used merc's

Soz if I seem like I'm flaming or bringing the mood down by saying the truth, I just thought I'd say how I feel about it going by experience.

 

[jiffz]

As I see it if all us players had the time to put into CSS, we could win it alone. But it simply isn't the case, we do have other commitments - this has always been the case with OC3D.

UK^Unit probably play hardcore every night, so I don't feel bad knowing we are using 1 or 2 MERCs, who have mixed with us anyway. We have the ability to wipe the smugness off everyones face and put a lot of clans down here. We should take the chance imo.

 

[JN]

As jiffz said: this is only being done because we've had most of our team out at some point due to rig problems. We never merc'd during ED and so far we've never done it in this cup.

To be honest at the moment I'd rather not play anyway, so i'm happy for someone to take my place as a sub from another clan.

 

[equk]

UK^Unit probably play hardcore every night, so I don't feel bad knowing we are using 1 or 2 MERCs, who have mixed with us anyway. We have the ability to wipe the smugness off everyones face

I know what that's like.

When I played quake2 and quake3 in div1 TDM, we played about 5games a night every night. (and won 20+ cups/leagues, came 3rd in the UK at a LAN losing to 4Kings)

To work for that takes dedication and respect. I guess that's one of the reasons why I don't agree with bringing in merc's.

There's also the fact that other players are belittled by the fact you are bringing in merc's who you feel are 'better' to win. I think there should be more emphasis on building a team to be the best.

Whatever happens I still wish the OC3D players good luck as I know we DO have brilliant players who can and will commit.

As I see it if all us players had the time to put into CSS, we could win it alone.

I think (as Jiffz said) OC3D could win it with their own proper original, respectfull team with commitment and dedication.

 

[llwyd]

I'm happy to play B riverbed (I have decided that's what it is on account of the raised lading bays ), If theyre as good as Spl@tio I will struggle but I feel confident taking on anyone slightly slower than that nutter. I would think it best if INS plays however as he's waaaay more experienced and that's something we would have over the UK unit player IMO.

And equk, who said these players are just mercs? We're looking at bringing in some more active players to take the elite team to a higher level, so these players may very well stick around. We don't have the time to play as a close knit team all the time so boosting individual skill and tactic knowledge within the team is a priority. We've beaten tons of teams as a team and have improved tons from before you were around, so for just once I think we deserve to sub, all the cup winning and ladder topping teams do it all the time.

 

[[Ins]]

Right well I agree with all the comments here!

Yes bringing in mercs just to win a game isn't a good approach I agree, but I'm sure everyone will agree with me when I say that UkUnit are so smug in thinking they'll take us, that I can't wait to rub that smile of their faces.

The biggest problem we have with this map (Fire) is lack of experience on it. We've tried most nights this week to get games on it but really to no avail because nobody wants to play it! Therefore we're left in this situation where we have a team that want to play it, but haven't had enough practice on it.

I am confident in saying that both Phunky and Rig both know this map well and will really aid in us winning this game. They won't carry us, but I know the people playing will see just how a "pro" team works as Rig and Phunky will lead by example.

Additionally, we're not breaking any rules in getting these players into the team and also, it's not like we're changing the entire team out either. The people that don't play shouldn't look at this as them being dropped because "they're not good enough". That couldn't be further from the truth. The biggest problem with have for this map is lack of preparation and that is something outside of our control, mainly because nobody wants to PCW on this map!

So my proposed team would be:

Phunky

Rig

Oxo

Tom

Ins

I'd only base this team on the fact that positions Rig and Phunky will be taking are direct replacements for Jimbo and Lloyd. It is NOT because I view Jimbo or Lloyd as weaker players at all. If either Jim or Lloyd want to play, just say and we'll drop the mEm lads. It's not a problem and is open for discussion.

As many people have said, because of other commitments, problems with rigs and just generally having an awkward map to play (that nobody wants to play a PCW on), our best solution would be to allow Phunky and Rig to play.

And yes, I want to wipe the smiles of the faces of UkUnit, whatever the cost!

 

[Ham]

;145721'']And yes, I want to wipe the smiles of the faces of UkUnit, whatever the cost!

Thats how i feel atm. Balth has predicted that they'll beat us. Topgooner predicted we'll beat them. Lets make the latter correct.

As for the bringing in 'mercs' I think we should be looking too take on at least one or two of them. So think of them more as trialists than mercs imo.

AND I STILL NEED TOO KNOW WHAT DAY YOU WANT TOO PLAY!

Monday tuseday or thursday next week?

 

[[Ins]]

Ok well I can say pretty confidently that at this moment, neither Phunky or Rig would be looking to play for a team full time. They are old guns, people that have "been there, done that" and are not looking to commit to anything.

However they have said to me that they'd like to play this game as they do miss the competitive aspect of CS:S. Therefore, I'm happy to let them to play, however it's not my decision to make. I want everyone to be happy with the team before we decide who will be playing this.

 

[[Ins]]

AND I STILL NEED TOO KNOW WHAT DAY YOU WANT TOO PLAY!

Monday tuseday or thursday next week?

Ham,

Any day mate, just pick whichever they prefer. I'll stick my neck out and say Tuesday as it's the middle choice but I'm happy either way. We're ready to go ASAP tbh!