The_Governour
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I stumbled across this 1080 video where I think the author has some good points based on logical facts and some clever piecing together of numbers.
https://youtu.be/tQaKdN_Wlck
https://youtu.be/tQaKdN_Wlck
Interesting 1080 suposed performance video.
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Kilbane
Hagrid Look-A-Like
I agree, it is interesting. I don't agree with his "VR results are pointless" though. Yes the 1080 does what the 980 does in a single pass, but that is still relevant as far as VR performance goes.
It may not be relevant as far as a "gaming" comparison goes for all out power, but still relevant.
I agree that the "Figures and graphs" shown by nvidia are definitely misleading, but we will wait and see for a true comparison in the reviews that will come soon.
It may not be relevant as far as a "gaming" comparison goes for all out power, but still relevant.
I agree that the "Figures and graphs" shown by nvidia are definitely misleading, but we will wait and see for a true comparison in the reviews that will come soon.
Digital Foundry on YouTube have some videos up of the 1080.
Personally not that impressed.
I expected DX11 performance to beat AMD as they put more focus into DX12. The 1080's performance is about 9% at most better on some DX12 titles but you've got to consider that the Fury X is pretty much coming up to a year old so you expect the 1080 to be better in every corner surely?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqK4xGimR7A
Personally not that impressed.
I expected DX11 performance to beat AMD as they put more focus into DX12. The 1080's performance is about 9% at most better on some DX12 titles but you've got to consider that the Fury X is pretty much coming up to a year old so you expect the 1080 to be better in every corner surely?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqK4xGimR7A
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
Pretty much everyone has their reviews out now, Just waiting on the important one *cough cough* 
Doomslayer
New member
Pretty much everyone has their reviews out now, Just waiting on the important one *cough cough*
I'm not sure on who your talking about
Doomslayer
New member
I have watched 2 benchmark videos of them and of course Nvidia marketing is over the top with every video i have watch and like the reviewers have said GTX1080 doesn't beat 2 GTX980 in SLi at all the GTX1080 only beat the GTX980 SLi in one test and that was GTA V.
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NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Impressed at what? From what i've seen it's hardly worth an upgrade and not even close to faster than 980SLI.
In that video linked above, in DX12, it's hardly better and in many scences actually worse. Especially true in AotS and RottR. Ties in Dx12 with the FX as they trade blows constantly, large blows too as i saw it swing both ways by 10FPS. They say they improved Async support... yeah don't believe it after seeing that video. There's no way to prove they did increase Async perf anyways and tbh, I don't really think they did. Sure they may have increased IPC which helps somewhat but that's not a direct increase to Async support and in addition, Async hasn't even been around for a year yet. There's no way they improved upon it since they started years ago even with the "billions of dollars on R&D". That's marketing right there for the hype to build. All CPUs/GPUs for desktop/server/HPC/etc usage take Billions of $ of R&D. There's nothing new there. So far after reading all the reviews(well the few out) i'm holy unimpressed. Hype was way to high and they failed to deliver, can only expect that tbh. I will admit though, it's power consumption was still impressive for that amount of performance. Then again, that's due to FinFET and 16nm more than anything. Just means 14nm should be that little bit better for Polaris.
After seeing reviews. It's not worth an upgrade. But for a new shopper it obviously is the smart choice. It being not such a drastic increase in performance is actually good news. AMD now have a much higher chance to beat it with Vega. Hopefully that happens, really need some competition.
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Wraith
Bettyswollocks
Seriously you don't see it?
OK the LTT 1080 review I'm dismissing right of the bat, they ran their benches in 4k and recommended 1080 and use DSR to scale them to 4k.... plus they don't give details on game settings.
The review I'm most impressed with so far with the benches was Canucks running them at native 1440 and 4k really good expected results against the 980SLI, 980Ti and Titan X, it's winner winner chicken dinner as far as progress goes, lower TDP, higher clocks (much higher clocks) better memory and lower power usage! It's a win all round. The overclocked benches were off the hook mental!
As for upgrading from SLI 980s to a single 1080 I don't agree with that, there's not much gain to be had, however upgrading from 600 or 700 series cards it's a no brainer and the excuse most older gen users have been waiting so patiently for. Some people will and are upgrading their 900 series cards regardless just because "enthusiasts" and props to them, I however don't see the point in it just yet.. WHY? AMD are being very quiet and that's unusual for them at this stage in the game, they are normally hinting at something about now (remember the fixer) even their twitter has been devoid of subtle playful comments this time around..
What would I do right now? Wait just a tiny while longer, GTX1080 is an impressive tempting offer.. GTX1070 is going to be Nvidias big money maker no doubt there and then just as AMD strike back, team green with land their finishing move with the 1080Ti just like before. I only hope and I really do hope that AMD have something really special to bring to the ring so it's not just a simple 3 hit fight this time.
EDIT: missed a few bits at the beginning typing to fast.
OK the LTT 1080 review I'm dismissing right of the bat, they ran their benches in 4k and recommended 1080 and use DSR to scale them to 4k.... plus they don't give details on game settings.
The review I'm most impressed with so far with the benches was Canucks running them at native 1440 and 4k really good expected results against the 980SLI, 980Ti and Titan X, it's winner winner chicken dinner as far as progress goes, lower TDP, higher clocks (much higher clocks) better memory and lower power usage! It's a win all round. The overclocked benches were off the hook mental!
As for upgrading from SLI 980s to a single 1080 I don't agree with that, there's not much gain to be had, however upgrading from 600 or 700 series cards it's a no brainer and the excuse most older gen users have been waiting so patiently for. Some people will and are upgrading their 900 series cards regardless just because "enthusiasts" and props to them, I however don't see the point in it just yet.. WHY? AMD are being very quiet and that's unusual for them at this stage in the game, they are normally hinting at something about now (remember the fixer) even their twitter has been devoid of subtle playful comments this time around..
What would I do right now? Wait just a tiny while longer, GTX1080 is an impressive tempting offer.. GTX1070 is going to be Nvidias big money maker no doubt there and then just as AMD strike back, team green with land their finishing move with the 1080Ti just like before. I only hope and I really do hope that AMD have something really special to bring to the ring so it's not just a simple 3 hit fight this time.
EDIT: missed a few bits at the beginning typing to fast.
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NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
It's not always faster than 980SLI though. It's sometimes. And in most synthetic benches i've seen it's not as fast there either. It's really certain games tbh.
I've never said it was terrible, but more like it wasn't what it was hyped to be. I did say it's not worth upgrading to if you own current Maxwell, but for new shoppers(those first building or really old cards) I said it's worth getting and a smart choice. Although I think the 1070 will more than likely be the better buy. I'm not impressed with Power Consumption/heat/clocks. It's FinFET and 16nm. You knew this was going to happen. now I didn't expect 2ghz, but it goes to show how damn good FinFET is compared to Planar, 2ghz was impressive i'll give that. But as far as architecture goes, it's very similar to Maxwell and not a revolution, just another smaller evolution.
Here's an article I read earlier that has A LOT of my exact thoughts. That author basically read my mind. http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/05/nvidia-gtx-1080-review/. When he talks about previous jumps from arch to arch, it really gives perspective that Pascal really isn't much special. Only things that really standout are power consumption. But again it's FinFET and 16nm. That was a given. So yes Pascal is still good, i'm not saying it's not. Just it's not as great as people are making it out to be and the Hype still seems to be rolling a little to high.
AMD being quiet doesn't really mean anything. It's not close enough to Vega to say much about it, and Polaris isn't a direct competitor.
I've never said it was terrible, but more like it wasn't what it was hyped to be. I did say it's not worth upgrading to if you own current Maxwell, but for new shoppers(those first building or really old cards) I said it's worth getting and a smart choice. Although I think the 1070 will more than likely be the better buy. I'm not impressed with Power Consumption/heat/clocks. It's FinFET and 16nm. You knew this was going to happen. now I didn't expect 2ghz, but it goes to show how damn good FinFET is compared to Planar, 2ghz was impressive i'll give that. But as far as architecture goes, it's very similar to Maxwell and not a revolution, just another smaller evolution.
Here's an article I read earlier that has A LOT of my exact thoughts. That author basically read my mind. http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/05/nvidia-gtx-1080-review/. When he talks about previous jumps from arch to arch, it really gives perspective that Pascal really isn't much special. Only things that really standout are power consumption. But again it's FinFET and 16nm. That was a given. So yes Pascal is still good, i'm not saying it's not. Just it's not as great as people are making it out to be and the Hype still seems to be rolling a little to high.
AMD being quiet doesn't really mean anything. It's not close enough to Vega to say much about it, and Polaris isn't a direct competitor.
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jimma47
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I'll stay 980SLi because - looks awesome.
I think Toms Hardware have it right in their graphics hierarchy chart - for the majority of cases there's no point in upgrading unless the new card is 2-3 tiers higher than the old one. If you have a 6 or 700 series then yes you'll notice a huge boost. From a 900 then not so much. Same as Ivy -> Skylake is a very expensive way to get minimal enhancements.
Of course some people must have and can afford the latest and greatest and good luck to them. I'll wait and see what's around the corner. I usually get a few years out of my GPU's and really it's the display technology that's really pushing GPU not the other way around.
Unless you're going super high refresh rate 1440 (or 3440) or multiple displays there's not much a 980 or Ti (or Fury) can't drive.
I think Toms Hardware have it right in their graphics hierarchy chart - for the majority of cases there's no point in upgrading unless the new card is 2-3 tiers higher than the old one. If you have a 6 or 700 series then yes you'll notice a huge boost. From a 900 then not so much. Same as Ivy -> Skylake is a very expensive way to get minimal enhancements.
Of course some people must have and can afford the latest and greatest and good luck to them. I'll wait and see what's around the corner. I usually get a few years out of my GPU's and really it's the display technology that's really pushing GPU not the other way around.
Unless you're going super high refresh rate 1440 (or 3440) or multiple displays there's not much a 980 or Ti (or Fury) can't drive.
tolagarf
Member
Well personally I'm getting a 1080 Founder's Edition, but I'm not doing it because I just want the latest tech or speed. I was more than happy with the performance of the 980 Ti.
My problem with the 980 Ti however is that it's an overpowered design, which means much higher chance of getting coil whine and buzzing from the card under load. Considering I had 5 in a row that coil whined and the last one was singing in a high pitched noise when a HDMI cable was connected. I'm freaking done with the Ti cards! The 780 Ti's had similar problems with this as well.
My problem with the 980 Ti however is that it's an overpowered design, which means much higher chance of getting coil whine and buzzing from the card under load. Considering I had 5 in a row that coil whined and the last one was singing in a high pitched noise when a HDMI cable was connected. I'm freaking done with the Ti cards! The 780 Ti's had similar problems with this as well.
tolagarf
Member
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
You're ok to pay for the FE when they jacked up the price?? £188 premium to be exact compared to last gen reference models.
tolagarf
Member
I don't care dude. I'm not so picky about prices.
Pretty much everyone has their reviews out now, Just waiting on the important one *cough cough*
Nvidia UK dont even have any yet, the only UK reviews are people that went to the states to get them. Was a massive f,up in shipping apparently with a box of cards going on a round the world trip.
BigDaddyKong
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There was a good post on another forum about the 1070.
Food for thought.
Food for thought.
