FX-9000 5GHz stock
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Dicehunter
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FX 9000 @ 5GHZ is equal to a core i5 3570K at stock....... 
ObscureParadox
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FX 9000 @ 5GHZ is equal to a core i5 3570K at stock.......
Depends what you really mean by that.
Single threaded performance still wouldn't be equal to that of a 3570K, but the multi-threaded performance would be much greater.
So it sorta depends what you mean by it being equal to a 3570K.
AverageNinja
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Sorry mate but I think that's nonsense.FX 9000 @ 5GHZ is equal to a core i5 3570K at stock.......
The FX8350 at 4GHz (=stock) performs equally, if a little bit better in games than the 3570k. Please don't be such a fanboy
AverageNinja
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Honestly dude AMD isn't that bad.All AMD keeps doing is bumping up their clock speeds and core count. Just spend some time and money into actually making a good architecture
Windows 7 had a bug and that was the reason bulldozer failed misserably.
The 8350 performs worse in win7, but according to benchies the 8350 performs quite a bit better.
And AMD has focused on getting developers in to make their games AMD optimised. BF4 will be a good example of this.
Honestly dude AMD isn't that bad.
Windows 7 had a bug and that was the reason bulldozer failed misserably.
The 8350 performs worse in win7, but according to benchies the 8350 performs quite a bit better.
And AMD has focused on getting developers in to make their games AMD optimised. BF4 will be a good example of this.
i agree with feronix actually. not just because my fx-4100 is complete and utter shit, but because AMD is focusing on the wrong things. they always use dirty tricks to keep up with the competition, to beat the titan they took two cores, to keep up with intel they use more cores and higher clocks, but the architecture behind it isn't good.
the problem is that they won't be able to get on the level of nvidia or intel anytime soon, which is really a shame. i would prefer AMD anytime over intel or nvidia if they would produce really good products again.
Feronix
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^Agreed.
Exactly. Instead of spending their money to actually make better quality products, they chose to use it to 'bribe' developers. It works, but it definitely doesn't make their products better.
If only they did, it would push Intel and Nvidia to keep innovating as well. Haswell isn't a big boost from Ivy Bridge and most of the GTX 7xx series will be 'rebrands'. Why? Simply because they don't have to do anything else.
I'm not fanboying or bashing
And AMD has focused on getting developers in to make their games AMD optimised. BF4 will be a good example of this.
Exactly. Instead of spending their money to actually make better quality products, they chose to use it to 'bribe' developers. It works, but it definitely doesn't make their products better.
If only they did, it would push Intel and Nvidia to keep innovating as well. Haswell isn't a big boost from Ivy Bridge and most of the GTX 7xx series will be 'rebrands'. Why? Simply because they don't have to do anything else.
I'm not fanboying or bashing
Zoot
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It came up in this thread previously:
http://forum.overclock3d.net/showthread.php?t=53701
A 220W TDP is insane, but then again when you consider you've GPUs consuming far more than that on the market, then it isn't so crazy after all.
Developing a completely new x86 core from the ground up is a massive engineering task, and thus quite expensive. To put things in perspective, the last time Intel did this was with the original Core 2 (Conroe) back in 2006, everything they've released since has just been refinements on that.All AMD keeps doing is bumping up their clock speeds and core count. Just spend some time and money into actually making a good architecture
Bulldozer was an entirely new (from the ground up) architecture. It underwhelmed but Piledriver made up for it. Steamroller however, is the one to watch, AMD themselves were predicting 30% more performance (clock for clock) which will put them right up there again. I'll be extremely anxious to see what Kaveri's CPU performance is towards the end of this year.
If you want to talk about what they should and shouldn't be doing, canning the big cores completely (ie. FX and Opteron) would probably be the best thing they could do from a financial standpoint.
EDIT:
'Bribe' isn't the word to use. nVidia have been collaborating far more with developers over the years with their "The Way It's Meant to Be Played" slogan. Better quality drivers are always welcome.
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Dicehunter
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Sorry mate but I think that's nonsense.
The FX8350 at 4GHz (=stock) performs equally, if a little bit better in games than the 3570k. Please don't be such a fanboy
Was only joking
Dicehunter
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Feronix
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@Zoot
Bribe indeed wasn't the proper word, I just couldn't come up with one that would describe it better.
It's just like Intel is this happy family that buys a new car every year. Every year, they buy one that's a bit quicker than the previous and has some extra convenient features like cruise control or air conditioning.
Then there's their neighbour, Mr AMD. He own a somewhat older car but he keeps tweaking and tuning the engine to make it a bit quicker every year but in the end, it's still an old, not very luxurious car. It works, and it's quick though.
That's kind of how I see it xD
Of course I understand that AMD can't just do away with everything they have now and start from scratch, but to me personally, they just don't even seem to be bothered. (Serious question inbound) Do they even have a small team that tries to create new things while the main part of the business is focussing on producing what they have now?
Bribe indeed wasn't the proper word, I just couldn't come up with one that would describe it better.
It's just like Intel is this happy family that buys a new car every year. Every year, they buy one that's a bit quicker than the previous and has some extra convenient features like cruise control or air conditioning.
Then there's their neighbour, Mr AMD. He own a somewhat older car but he keeps tweaking and tuning the engine to make it a bit quicker every year but in the end, it's still an old, not very luxurious car. It works, and it's quick though.
That's kind of how I see it xD
Of course I understand that AMD can't just do away with everything they have now and start from scratch, but to me personally, they just don't even seem to be bothered. (Serious question inbound) Do they even have a small team that tries to create new things while the main part of the business is focussing on producing what they have now?
SieB
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Lets not forget that these are not Steamroller and are still Piledriver. AMD might have not made any changes architecture wise with this FX9000 and FX8770 but they don't really need to seen as current Piledriver are around the same "real world" performance wise as Intel.
Steamroller is their next new architecture these are just filling the gaps until it arrives.
Steamroller is their next new architecture these are just filling the gaps until it arrives.
Zoot
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Replace "Intel" with "nVidia" and it's not a bad analogy when it comes to the GPU world as it is now anyway. The 7000 series is probably getting a little long in the tooth now, but it's still got life left in it yet.
Although, AMD used to own nVidia in the past. I remember when the 4870 launched it beat the GTX 200 series despite being massively cheaper, nVidia had a serious amount of price slashing to do back then. Back before that nVidia's 8800 series was king.
If you wanted to make the analogy more Intel-like, that family would be millionaires in comparison to AMD being upper middle-class.
Every company is different, the only way you'd probably find that out is if you take a job with AMD.
iBeInspire
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So us AMD lads are the nutters in the saxos, and the FX-9000 is our 2000hp dodge charger..?
I can live with that.
Feronix
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Never said it was a bad thing
Fanatics with a budget is where great ideas come from.
Josh Weston
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If I remember correctly the ol'8350 at 4.8GHz wasn't up to par with a 3770K at lower clocks, and that was with the benchmarks being heavily multi threaded.
The Richland stuff I recently tested was a similar story - higher clockspeeds of an architecture that simply isn't up to date with Intel, higher power consumption, worse memory controllers and a whole shedload of heat. Comparing stock for stock, the AMD stuff may very well pull ahead of their counterparts in some benchmarks, but as soon as you let Intel open up the clocks too?
This is gonna have to come in at a real nice price point to get people interested, me feels.
Let's hope Steamroller brings some fresh meat to the table
The Richland stuff I recently tested was a similar story - higher clockspeeds of an architecture that simply isn't up to date with Intel, higher power consumption, worse memory controllers and a whole shedload of heat. Comparing stock for stock, the AMD stuff may very well pull ahead of their counterparts in some benchmarks, but as soon as you let Intel open up the clocks too?
This is gonna have to come in at a real nice price point to get people interested, me feels.
Let's hope Steamroller brings some fresh meat to the table
WYP
News Guru
i really hope amd does better in the cpu arena soon, bulldozer isn't a bad architecture but it needs some refinement.
i plan to upgrade my 1090t to a steamroller based cpu when they are released.
i hope there is that 30% improvement the amd suggest as that would make it have around 2500k speeds core to core, which would be awesome
i plan to upgrade my 1090t to a steamroller based cpu when they are released.
i hope there is that 30% improvement the amd suggest as that would make it have around 2500k speeds core to core, which would be awesome
