Yonah and Merom have FSB 'WALL'

[maverik-sg1]

Not sure where the problems come from but I am seeing reports that the mobile CPU's have a FSB 'wall' - merom is 260mhz Yonah is a little lower.

So you can realise 3.1-3.3ghz (the cpu's max overclock) even with water cooling This means that we could get much more people competing at teh same clocks/perfromance levels amiking benchmarking competitions a much tighter field - high performance for all is a great thing (detracts from the elitist systm we currently have).

Not sure why this is - some are suggesting it's and Intel CPU lock so that people opt for the desktop CPU for even more performance, or it could just be a BIOS/Driver bug.

I have to say now that the Intel package looks fantastic and if I had to choose AM2 or Conroe right now....... it would be Conroe.

Also - people forget that these chips perform the way they do producing a lot less heat and using a lot less power - so power versus economy is 2nd to non. The 90nm AMD AM2 chips (1st Gen due out later this month) will be as toasty as a presler and consume similar amount of power which all leads to an almighty hike in power usage (and substantionally higher running costs) - Only a successful switch to 65nm can really Save AMD now - role on Feb07.

 

[Highland3r]

Some of the Yonah's seem to be maxing as low as 210 fsb which is pretty poor. We saw the same 7x5 pentium M's and the Celly M's too, most couldnt make over ~ 160 FSB. VCCA mods seemed to help a bit with them and it seems to help a little with the Yonahs too. Most seem to respond quite nicely to better cooling too which helps a little.

The Stepping 8 Yonah's seem to clock much futher than the Stepping 4's, but since Yonah's life's quite short lived we probably wont see many/any new revisions out in the near future.

Merom looks pretty nice too, and the fact its compatible with the currently available Aopen board is great news

 

[Master_G]

I think Intel's slow ramp up for Conroe (only 40% of total production by Q1 2007) will really save AMD, intel will be fighting itself by trying to sell the inferior CPUs and so probably making the price of Conroe's high, and so i think this might lead to a relatively slow year for CPU sales.

If you have the money and you want to buy now, you buy Conroe.

If you dont have the money, you can either buy a hot, poor performing but probably cheap pentium, or probably pay a bit more and get a cooler, better peforming AMD, or you can wait, or you can wait. I can see a lot of pros for waiting atm if you can.

If AMD can withstand some competitive pricing on their products for this year then they may be able to limit the impact of Conroe by giving Intel a good fight with the rest of their CPUs.

Whether they will have anything to fight back with in 2007 is another matter, and im not sure if AMD even know this for sure yet.

The wall doesnt seem to be universal from what i have seen, i have seen people up around 270 with single stage systems, and given the amount of work Conroe does per cycle, each MHz is worth quite a lot. We shall have to see once we can get some better motherboards i guess.

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[sacha35]

Found this link guys and some benches, does look interesting i must say, but it is to early to tell yet bring on 2007 then we will see

Link:http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=98376