X58 expert needed!?!

[Ov3erclock3R]

So I just installed a 2080 in to my system and its Brill with my new monitor.

Problem I have is i can't boot with my CPU overclock, do I need to add more cpu voltage or pcie voltage ? Other than that it will boot and operate fine with my 650 watt psu, any advice will be great appreciated.

 

[Ov3erclock3R]

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[looz]

So it booted fine before the GPU upgrade? I mean it could be an old 650W PSU with a strange lane configuration. Is your signature up to date and you've got a 950? 4.2 with 1.31V would be a big win in silicon lottery.

If your cooler can handle it, Intel spec allows up to 1.4V coltage.

But straight up not booting means you're far from stable, or indeed PSU issues.


TLDR: more info pls

 

[Ov3erclock3R]

So it booted fine before the GPU upgrade? I mean it could be an old 650W PSU with a strange lane configuration. Is your signature up to date and you've got a 950? 4.2 with 1.31V would be a big win in silicon lottery.

If your cooler can handle it, Intel spec allows up to 1.4V coltage.

But straight up not booting means you're far from stable, or indeed PSU issues.


TLDR: more info pls

Hi no my sig is no up to date, I have got a 6 core 5960 which overclocked fine at 4.5 and now it fails to boot with the overclock.

My cooler is noctua NH d 14 so I'm sure it can handle it, maybe pcie lanes need more voltage???

Ps. It boots but overclock fails.

 

[AlienALX]

Rule number one with overclocking : when it fails drop off the overclock until it doesn't.

It may be your PSU's 12v rail struggling.

 

[Ov3erclock3R]

Rule number one with overclocking : when it fails drop off the overclock until it doesn't.

It may be your PSU's 12v rail struggling.

True but I don't want to do that I want to keep the overclock getting a new psu's not a problem.


Just wondered as its x58 does the pcie voltage need upping or something?


Edit: would I be ok with a 750w psu ???

 

[AlienALX]

At 4.5 ghz that CPU is probably eating around 300w. I remember my I7 950 and it used to get through around 240w at 4ghz...

You may also find that the board simply can't handle it.

But yes, IIRC NVIDIA say 600? 650?w for a 2080 and that would be with a modern CPU.

What board are you using?

 

[Warchild]

True but I don't want to do that I want to keep the overclock getting a new psu's not a problem.


Just wondered as its x58 does the pcie voltage need upping or something?


Edit: would I be ok with a 750w psu ???

Constant overclocks on a CPU degrades its life. Eventually your CPU will not longer OC to the same value you used to have. Especially if you are plugging 1.3v or more through it on a daily basis.

650W PSU is also going to struggle. I believe 850W is suggested for OC a i7 950 CPU and 20xx series cards. So bother of these are a factor.

 

[looz]

If the cause was degradation, it would manifest in random stability issues first, not straight up failed overclock on boot. It also wouldn't likely coincide with GPU upgrade. I'm calling PSU issues here, at least until OP specifies the model. X58 era power supplies can have funky 12V rail configurations.

 

[Ov3erclock3R]

Cheers for the input people its really appreciated, I have just ordered a Rm 850 for delivery tomorrow

In regards to my OC on my cpu, it's only used a couple times a week for a few hours but yes I understand degradation and all thanks again for the help.

 

[Ov3erclock3R]

My Mobo is Asus p6x58d-e, again love you guys for all the input and advice

 

[Ov3erclock3R]

Grrr had to edit this one cos I posted twice

 

[AlienALX]

Degradation is far more likely to happen to the capacitors and coils.

However it is a fact that CPUs do degrade. Eventually the transistors get stuck open, and are stuck at 1, for example, and not 0. However I'd bet that Xeon lived a quiet life until quite recently, as it's blatantly server fodder and thus was probably never overclocked.

I'd suspect the power circuitry tbh. I left my valve amp switched on for over five years, living on a shelf above a radiator (it was very hard to access) and sure enough two caps bulged and died.

 

[Ov3erclock3R]

Degradation is far more likely to happen to the capacitors and coils.

However it is a fact that CPUs do degrade. Eventually the transistors get stuck open, and are stuck at 1, for example, and not 0. However I'd bet that Xeon lived a quiet life until quite recently, as it's blatantly server fodder and thus was probably never overclocked.

I'd suspect the power circuitry tbh. I left my valve amp switched on for over five years, living on a shelf above a radiator (it was very hard to access) and sure enough two caps bulged and died.

I suspect that's quite true, I've have the cpu for about 6 months or so only only £20 off Ebay in agreeance with you on quiet life it had before me I can't be certain but I'm sure it must have had a quiet life untill me.

I've had the system 7 years with a OC'd i7 950 and on the odd occasion it would BSOD and overclock would fail once in a blue moon, so I think some circuitry degradation on the mobo is at fault too perhaps. But certainly when I put the GPU in straight away it happend, thought i may get away with pumping more voltage in the cpu and pcie lanes.

For the one who said some older psu had a dodgy 12v rail mine is a corsair 650 (blue one 6-7 years old now).

Can you reccomend some good high air flow case fans ?? new GPU back plate gets hot would like some more case fans just to blow over a little more (just purchased a corsair 450d).

 

[AlienALX]

I would replace the PSU after that long, given how hard you push your rig.

With fans just do your research, however I can definitely vouch for Noctua.

 

[looz]

For the one who said some older psu had a dodgy 12v rail mine is a corsair 650 (blue one 6-7 years old now).

Yeah, the model would be useful so we could google the configuration, 6-7 years ago single rail PSUs got popular so could be either way.

Point being that if it has multiple 12V rails and for instance some GPU PCI-E and CPU EPS leads pulled current from the same rail you might be pushing that particular rail's limits.

But I guess working that out is out of the question now that you already ordered a new PSU.

In the case of fans, Arctic cooling makes decent affordable ones, like F12 PWM for 120mm and F14 PWM for 140mm slots. Noctua fans are really good but also really expensive, then there's plenty of fans which are made to look cool like Corsair RGB series, but they perform about the same as the bog standard arctics.

Make sure to buy fans optimised for air flow if they aren't pushed against a radiator. Fans directly next to dust filters can be either static pressure or airflow, doesn't make much of a difference there. But spending much on fans doesn't yield big returns, unless you're going for a certain look.

 

[Ov3erclock3R]

Yeah, the model would be useful so we could google the configuration, 6-7 years ago single rail PSUs got popular so could be either way.

Point being that if it has multiple 12V rails and for instance some GPU PCI-E and CPU EPS leads pulled current from the same rail you might be pushing that particular rail's limits.

But I guess working that out is out of the question now that you already ordered a new PSU.

In the case of fans, Arctic cooling makes decent affordable ones, like F12 PWM for 120mm and F14 PWM for 140mm slots. Noctua fans are really good but also really expensive, then there's plenty of fans which are made to look cool like Corsair RGB series, but they perform about the same as the bog standard arctics.

Make sure to buy fans optimised for air flow if they aren't pushed against a radiator. Fans directly next to dust filters can be either static pressure or airflow, doesn't make much of a difference there. But spending much on fans doesn't yield big returns, unless you're going for a certain look.

Thanks for the info PSU's are one thing I'm clueless on how they work etc expect I know they draw power from mains and convert it.

Fans, I'm not really bothered with RGB's and all that so a standard one will be good enough, thanks for the advice much appreciated.

 

[AlienALX]

Corsair's ace up the sleeve back then was single rails.

Knowing the model would definitely help though.

 

[Ov3erclock3R]

Hi people just an update, I have installed my new psu and it's still struggling with the overclock I have tuned it down and up voltage its even throwing a hissy fit when trying to find a boot drive keep having to go in to the bios nd configure after ab OC hmmm Help pleaseee! Thanks guys

 

[AlienALX]

Then the overclock is simply too high.

4ghz is about where you should be. Seriously, any more than that on that setup would require a chiller or LN2.