We're out out - The Brexit Thread

I don't assume all criminals are bad to the core, and considering a few of the articles I looked at say the EU court turned down the claim for compensation, I'd suggest it's more about money than who can vote.
Sometimes the human rights of 1 person can't out wiegh the rights of a society which in some cases the EU has done Just some
Yeah your article was about a french claim that would affect all future decisions even those in the uk
No I don't agree with execution for that reason, but just saw a post about a bloke who abused multiple children some things do make me reconsider my views
 
Greenback said:
I don't assume all criminals are bad to the core, and considering a few of the articles I looked at say the EU court turned down the claim for compensation, I'd suggest it's more about money than who can vote.
Sometimes the human rights of 1 person can't out wiegh the rights of a society which in some cases the EU has done Just some
Yeah your article was about a french claim that would affect all future decisions even those in the uk
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What articles about compensation? I thought this was about the right to vote, no money in that for the EU.
You couldn't deport terrorist suspects regardless of the human rights which allow them to stay since the countries they come from don't want to have them either.
Do you honestly think that the terrorist threat will cease to exist because you start deporting people? Terrorist organizations never struggled with recruiting locals for that purpose and those you can't deport. Why does a foreign terrorist deserve certain death while a local terrorist deserves to live in a prison? That article is basically about how foreigners should have less rights than nationals.

No I don't agree with execution for that reason, but just saw a post about a bloke who abused multiple children some things do make me reconsider my views
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That's an emotional reaction. Once punishment becomes about retribution and not repenting it's not ethical anymore.
 
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I completely agree that Wales voted poorly in this referendum. I am from Cardiff, where the majority vote was to remain - my vote included in that majority as well. I feel that those in Wales who voted out weren't properly educated on what the EU gave them. They are all to concerned about "the Polish guys intimidating us in work, so we quit" and the fact that said "Polish guys" were "coming here taking our jobs". They don't realise that by voting out means we're going to put these hard working people on a boat that same day of the results and ship them back home. They don't realise that the new shopping complex down the road with all the great shops in there was built with EU money. And they surely don't realise that the support we receive from EU actually has been helping us more than they're aware of.

But no, the majority wanted to vote out to get rid of the immigrants. To stop funding to the industry of film that I am currently a part of. To stop any help we needed to go into our communities and help better our way of living and tourism. To help a poor country fight to survive in the supposed United Kingdom they desperately wanted to form outside of Europe.

I'm just being an angry and disheartened remain voter and I hope this does turn in our favour and there is a light at the end of the tunnel for us.
 
daniSAUR said:
I'm just being an angry and disheartened remain voter and I hope this does turn in our favour and there is a light at the end of the tunnel for us.
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I'm afraid that light in the tunnel is really the Eurostar from Paris with a load of 'immigrants' getting in before the door shuts :).
 
If (certainly not when) we get a strong government I'm sure we could turn this all around. Very much doubt it seeing how Cameron has been able to get in twice.
 
I find it really annoying how so many are so out of touch with the people that voted out.
Claims it was a vote against the establishment or because of immigration
I voted to leave and am proud to have done so, Immigration for me had nothing to do with it. I am simply fed up with being directed by the EU.
It was a good idea initially when we joined the EU in what was then just a common market, it worked and did what it was set up for, but over the years it grew and grew and became more than just a trading agreement. Rules and regulations were being set by people I had not voted for or was ever able to vote for. Our fishing fleet was dissasembled.

Those saying it was about immigration can you explain why predominantly ethnic areas voted to leave? Birmingham, Bradford, Blackburn, Preston, and many areas with huge ethnic populations voted out.
Also citing areas that greatly benefit from EU funding such as Wales and heck Cornwall which I think get more EU funding yet they voted out.

It is deplorable to blame the older generation for ruining the countries future do we know what to come? no we do not but I have seen comments not so much here that state old people should not have been allowed to vote, and that 16 year olds should be allowed. and now calling for another referendum Sour grapes at having lost but its a 1 shot event not a best of three.
Accept it and move on.

The fact that the younger generation were more for remain is valid however had they turned out in full force or greater numbers then maybe just maybe the result would have been different.

I voted out because I want to keep our nation as a country not part of a united states of europe with a European army and opening up the NHS to USA companies

As far as the money being spent on the nhs I dont recall anyone actually saying it was going to be spent on the NHS. I do recall several times it stated as the money not being sent to the EU would be available for the NHS and that is quite a different statement indeed.

Gonna end here as Im starting to rant but I will close in saying that as a nation we need to come together and make this work and I know it can work. there are many opportunities to trade globally and continue to play a role
 
Actually Robm

Farage admitted his campaign leaders should not have used the 350mill for the NHS statements as propaganda and was badly done. So yes, it was promised and yes it will be broken.

And for the record. United Kingdom is not a country its a Sovereign State. If you want to keep your nation as a country then England needs to vote out of UK.

It amuses me and angers me too now that after the vote:

1. "What is the EU" has become the second biggest search on Google by UK ip addresses which makes me sad that we British appear so dumb to the world as this goes Viral.
2. Leave voters are already regretting their decision and wish they hadn't chosen "out" admitting they did not fully understand the implications and direction UK will take.
3. Yes it was promised propaganda that the 350mill per week would be used on NHS, a claim which has now been called out and no longer a promise. When Farage instantly admits his campaigners should not have used this claim, it is admission of a lie!

I voted remain since my brother will now be out of a job along with his entire EU funded team, my sister and her boyfriend whose jobs were also funded by EU grants, and a hope to save the development of my home city Swansea which was being expanded, rebuilt and recovered by... EU funding.

Swansea and many other Welsh cities are receiving millions and millions without paying much into the EU, because it is being covered by the rest of the UK.
 
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Warchild said:
Actually Robm

Farage admitted his campaign leaders should not have used the 350mill for the NHS statements as propaganda and was badly done. So yes, it was promised and yes it will be broken.

And for the record. United Kingdom is not a country its a Sovereign State. If you want to keep your nation as a country then England needs to vote out of UK.

It amuses me and angers me too now that after the vote:

1. "What is the EU" has become the second biggest search on Google by UK ip addresses which makes me sad that we British appear so dumb to the world as this goes Viral.
2. Leave voters are already regretting their decision and wish they hadn't chosen "out" admitting they did not fully understand the implications and direction UK will take.
3. Yes it was promised propaganda that the 350mill per week would be used on NHS, a claim which has now been called out and no longer a promise. When Farage instantly admits his campaigners should not have used this claim, it is admission of a lie!

I voted remain since my brother will now be out of a job along with his entire EU funded team, my sister and her boyfriend whose jobs were also funded by EU grants, and a hope to save the development of my home city Swansea which was being expanded, rebuilt and recovered by... EU funding.

Swansea and many other Welsh cities are receiving millions and millions without paying much into the EU, because it is being covered by the rest of the UK.
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I voted to remain as financially England is going to be a lot worse off plus a lot of my family and friends are at jobs that are funded and helped in various ways by the EU.

My next door neighbour worked at an American oil company and they have now pulled out of England so he lost his job along with a few thousand others.

A lot of companies are going to pull out of the UK now as well as quite a few things will become more expensive, People did not think this through, All they saw was "IMMIGRANTS !!!!" when they seemed to forget that most immigrants come from outside the EU so nothing in that aspect will change.
 
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Dicehunter said:
I voted to remain as financially England is going to be a lot worse off plus a lot of my family and friends are at jobs that are funded and helped in various ways by the EU.

My next door neighbour worked at an American oil company and they have now pulled out of England so he lost his job along with a few thousand others.

A lot of companies are going to pull out of the UK now as well as quite a few things will become more expensive, People did not think this through, All they saw was "IMMIGRANTS !!!!" when they seemed to forget that most immigrants come from outside the EU so nothing in that aspect will change.
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Airbus, Toyota, Ford and Nissan are all on the verge of pulling their UK investments to avoid losing billions with the currency crash. They cannot afford to ride the storm and hope it recovers.

Further more unless the financial services passports are resolved very fast, many of the largest financial services in the UK will relocate to EU zones. Personally I don't fully understand this bit but I caught a glimpse of it in the financial times. Morgan Stanley claim they won't move but that is probably a panic response when the report and article was made by BBC news.
 
Warchild said:
Airbus, Toyota, Ford and Nissan are all on the verge of pulling their UK investments to avoid losing billions with the currency crash. They cannot afford to ride the storm and hope it recovers.

Further more unless the financial services passports are resolved very fast, many of the largest financial services in the UK will relocate to EU zones. Personally I don't fully understand this bit but I caught a glimpse of it in the financial times. Morgan Stanley claim they won't move but that is probably a panic response when the report and article was made by BBC news.
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Yeah it's messed up, This will have implications not just for business' but for all working people in the UK for years to come.
 
Very sorry, I'm English and that did appear to be an insult.......but I'm sorry I took it the wrong way !
 
Warchild said:
1. "What is the EU" has become the second biggest search on Google by UK ip addresses which makes me sad that we British appear so dumb to the world as this goes Viral.
2. Leave voters are already regretting their decision and wish they hadn't chosen "out" admitting they did not fully understand the implications and direction UK will take.
3. Yes it was promised propaganda that the 350mill per week would be used on NHS, a claim which has now been called out and no longer a promise. When Farage instantly admits his campaigners should not have used this claim, it is admission of a lie!
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1: Scotland, Northern Ireland, and wales are listed during that time period
2: the only source I can find for this claim leads back to the independent paper
3: how does Farage spend money when he isn't a member of parliament, UKIP are not in power and he wasn't the leader of the leave side

And also this 1:
A blogger from Sheffield shared a message from a friend working in electoral services, claiming Brexit voters and pro-Remain members of the electorate who failed to turn out because they were confident of the win had been calling in.
 
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SeekaX said:
Petitions are utterly useless.
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Those petitions do actually get a government response fairly quickly. I've signed many in the past. Though in this instance I do not think it's going to cause too much action to be taken.
 
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