We're out out - The Brexit Thread

[Warchild]

They feel like third class citizens, hence they lash out at something which isn't responsible for their misery. Fantastic.

Yeah but in all fairness, I lived in the UK a long time before leaving for greener pastures. There are some areas so ghetto, so drained of anything remotely considerable as a way of living that I can understand their plight. The problem in those areas is UKIP swooping in and spreading false statements.

When you are a citizen stuck at the bottom of the barrel and are given a hand albeit a false hand you will reach out and take it based on hope.

 

[Steffen]

Yep nobody thought about the important things. They feared the "immigration" word.

Yes but that's not a UK only problem, here in Germany the "immigration problem" is a welcome topic to do all kind of bull and fear the dumb masses, the nationalists get tons of votes in every election and if they aren't in the people are that crazy of media made fear that the vote the far far right party, some would say the nazi party. The coverage about the immigration theme is in the mass media totally concentrate on bad things 1% does, no word about the other 99%, because everyone knows, Germans never do bad things.

 

[Greenback]

They feel like third class citizens, hence they lash out at something which isn't responsible for their misery. Fantastic.

Maybe not the EU's fault but when you are ignored by successive governments, when that voice is never heard, now that voice has shouted we have had enough

 

[SeekaX]

Yeah but in all fairness, I lived in the UK a long time before leaving for greener pastures. There are some areas so ghetto, so drained of anything remotely considerable as a way of living that I can understand their plight. The problem in those areas is UKIP swooping in and spreading false statements.

When you are a citizen stuck at the bottom of the barrel and are given a hand albeit a false hand you will reach out and take it based on hope.

Germany knows that all too well. You'd think people would've learned from the mistakes made in the past, but even here in germany we have plenty of people who blame foreigners and the EU for all of their problems.

Maybe not the EU's fault but when you are ignored by successive governments, when that voice is never heard, no that voice has shouted we have had enough

So shout at your own government. Despite quite a few people claiming otherwise, they do make the laws in your country and should be held responsible for the lack of perspective people have.

 

[Warchild]

Germany knows that all too well. You'd think people would've learned from the mistakes made in the past, but even here in germany we have plenty of people who blame foreigners and the EU for all of their problems.

Every country has those people, UK arent the only ones. I totally agree with you.

 

[SPS]

Maybe not the EU's fault but when you are ignored by successive governments, when that voice is never heard, now that voice has shouted we have had enough

Why did everyone vote Cameron back in then? Instead we left the EU which was serving its purpose well.

 

[Greenback]

So shout at your own government. Despite quite a few people claiming otherwise, they do make the laws in your country and should be held responsible for the lack of perspective people have.

Not all the laws, and our laws count for nothing when the european court gets involved

Why did everyone vote Cameron back in then? Instead we left the EU which was serving its purpose well.

No idea i voted UKIP, and not everybody voted him in only 66% of the population voted of which he got 40% i believe, and let face it the other choice was miliband, a lot of people are so disillusioned with the government they don't bother voting as same crap different flag

 

[SeekaX]

Not all the laws, and our laws count for nothing when the european court gets involved

Feel free to provide some examples where the european courts got involved without a good reason, like human rights. Pretty sure the EU isn't stopping you from an education reform for example, that's all you.

 

[NickOmega]

Juncker has specifically said, out is out. UK will not be able to vote back in ever again.

That's not Juncker's decision to make.

Regarding the Lisbon Treaty, more specifically article 49

If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.

 

[Greenback]

Feel free to provide some examples where the european courts got involved without a good reason, like human rights. Pretty sure the EU isn't stopping you from an education reform for example, that's all you.

If our courts want to extradite some one who is involved in terrorism or spouting hate speech, or prisoners the right to vote if you can't be a productive part of the society then you shouldn't be able to take part in that society.

Or multinational companies that go through the court to claim back tax, and thus undermine british tax laws

 

[SeekaX]

If our courts want to extradite some one who is involved in terrorism or spouting hate speech, or prisoners the right to vote if you can't be a productive part of the society then you shouldn't be able to take part in that society.

Or multinational companies that go through the court to claim back tax, and thus undermine british tax laws

I'd like some proper examples where there's some context to work with. The only reason i can think of for the EU to stop an extradition is when the person who is about to be extradited faces torture and/or death in the country he is supposed to be extradited to, that falls under human rights. I just googled for a second on the prisoner part and found this article. I also don't really see why prisoners in general shouldn't be allowed to vote, people go to jail for dumb mistakes sometimes, doesn't mean they aren't capable of contributing to society afterwards. Prisons are supposed to reintegrate people into society, not alienate them.

 

[Greenback]

4th time it's been taken to court at the end of the day it should be down the the government of a country to decide who is entitled to vote, and if your right to vote means so much to you don't commit a crime

 

[SeekaX]

4th time it's been taken to court at the end of the day it should be down the the government of a country to decide who is entitled to vote, and if your right to vote means so much to you don't commit a crime

It should definitely not be down to the government of a country to decide who is entitled to vote, that undermines the idea of a democracy. If the government decided to take the voting rights from the working class due to lack of education you'd be glad that there is another instance making sure your rights as a citizen are protected. Some people go to jail for minor offences because they can't pay the fee, does making them third class citizens seem right to you?

 

[Wraith]

Great discussion guys, soooo Intel or AMD? h34r:

 

[Steffen]

Great discussion guys, soooo Intel or AMD? h34r:

Via, of course.

 

[Kilbane]

Agree Wraith, great discussion ..... So console or PC? h34r:

 

[WYP]

Great discussion guys, soooo Intel or AMD? h34r:

Via, of course.

Deffo Via, best x86 cores out there.

 

[Greenback]

It should definitely not be down to the government of a country to decide who is entitled to vote, that undermines the idea of a democracy. If the government decided to take the voting rights from the working class due to lack of education you'd be glad that there is another instance making sure your rights as a citizen are protected. Some people go to jail for minor offences because they can't pay the fee, does making them third class citizens seem right to you?

I'm betting right now there are MP's wishing they could do that

The assumption that working class are uneducated is a stretch there are university leavers who work in mcdonalds.

minor offence like nonpayment of fines I'd agree to an extent, but some crimes just don't deserve any right's and those should just be taken around the back of the court and burnt alive


P.S are VIA still going

 

[WYP]

P.S are VIA still going

Via are still going, but their most powerful x86 stuff now is only enough for powering billboards and other basic stuff.

Their newest CPU has similar performance to AMD Kabini stuff like the AM1 Athlon 5150. Super low end stuff.


http://www.overclock3d.net/articles..._cpu_game_with_their_isaiah_ii_architecture/1

 

[SeekaX]

I'm betting right now there are MP's wishing they could do that

The assumption that working class are uneducated is a stretch there are university leavers who work in mcdonalds.

minor offence like nonpayment of fines I'd agree to an extent, but some crimes just don't deserve any right's and those should just be taken around the back of the court and burnt alive


P.S are VIA still going

Of course it's a stretch, just like assuming all prisoners are evil down to the core. The point was that the EU protects your civil rights regardless of convictions and social rank.
The article i linked is newer than the one you linked, so people who are imprisoned for serious offences already don't have the right to vote.
There have been a couple of cases in the USA where people have been executed for crimes they didn't commit, that's why in europe we don't execute criminals, regardless of the crime. Killing someone as a punishment for a crime also doesn't achieve anything, it doesn't right any wrongs and it doesn't teach a lesson, it's just mindless retribution.