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PepperNinja

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Hi guys,

I need some advice on my first build.

After some research, I made two build, one with an i7-3770k and one with an i7-3930k.
At first I was leaning towards the 2011 socket and X79 chipset, because I could upgrade to an IV-E when needed and the 1155 will no longer be used with the haswell processors.
I now realize the 3930k is pure overkill, since few games benefit from the two extra cores and more L3 cache. Besides gaming and daily use, I'll occasionally run some virtual machines, and quad channel ram would benefit a little, but I doubt the difference will be that huge.

Some other info.
I'm also looking to get a second monitor, I currently own a Dell U2312HM (1920*1080) for gaming, the BenQ XL2420 looked really nice, but 3D gaming ... I don't know, I think it's something I can do without.
So a second Dell U2312HM seems the best choice.

The build should last 2-3 years for gaming on a single monitor (1920*1080).
Anybody who can make an educated guess wether the build will last about 1 - 1,5 on high(est) settings?
After that I'm fine with lowering the settings or replacing the GPU's when needed.

For both builds I'm not sure what mobo to get.
I'm not looking to go mental with OC, but getting a little more performance in the future when the build needs it would be nice.
Dual lan, wifi and bluetooth are extra's I can do without.

If the build runs to hot or makes to much noise, I'm planning on replacing the fans with noctua fans (case and h100).

A few questions:
I think the PSU will be enough, but I'm not sure.
Will everything fit in the case, I'm sure the gpu's will work, but what about the mobo, h100 and memory?

Below are the builds:
IB i7-3770k

SB-E i7-3930k

What do you guys think?
Any advice is welcome.

Thanks in advance.
 
PepperNinja said:
Hi guys,

I need some advice on my first build.

After some research, I made two build, one with an i7-3770k and one with an i7-3930k.
At first I was leaning towards the 2011 socket and X79 chipset, because I could upgrade to an IV-E when needed and the 1155 will no longer be used with the haswell processors.
I now realize the 3930k is pure overkill, since few games benefit from the two extra cores and more L3 cache. Besides gaming and daily use, I'll occasionally run some virtual machines, and quad channel ram would benefit a little, but I doubt the difference will be that huge.

Some other info.
I'm also looking to get a second monitor, I currently own a Dell U2312HM (1920*1080) for gaming, the BenQ XL2420 looked really nice, but 3D gaming ... I don't know, I think it's something I can do without.
So a second Dell U2312HM seems the best choice.

The build should last 2-3 years for gaming on a single monitor (1920*1080).
Anybody who can make an educated guess wether the build will last about 1 - 1,5 on high(est) settings?
After that I'm fine with lowering the settings or replacing the GPU's when needed.

For both builds I'm not sure what mobo to get.
I'm not looking to go mental with OC, but getting a little more performance in the future when the build needs it would be nice.
Dual lan, wifi and bluetooth are extra's I can do without.

If the build runs to hot or makes to much noise, I'm planning on replacing the fans with noctua fans (case and h100).

A few questions:
I think the PSU will be enough, but I'm not sure.
Will everything fit in the case, I'm sure the gpu's will work, but what about the mobo, h100 and memory?

Below are the builds:
IB i7-3770k

SB-E i7-3930k

What do you guys think?
Any advice is welcome.

Thanks in advance.
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What currency is that?
 
No games benefit more from the 3930k. No games will even benefit from the 3770k over a 3570k.

Go with the 3770k at the max if you're just gaming. Only consider the 3930k if you plan on rendering.

You'd be better off getting a 3570k, then a 680 or 670 SLI, IMO
 
jamesriley94 said:
No games benefit more from the 3930k. No games will even benefit from the 3770k over a 3570k.

Go with the 3770k at the max if you're just gaming. Only consider the 3930k if you plan on rendering.

You'd be better off getting a 3570k, then a 680 or 670 SLI, IMO
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Thanks for the advice.
You confirmed what I was thinking. :) 3930k is great, but overkill for my needs.

An OC 3570k should be able to outperform a stock 3770k, but since I'm not planning to go mental on the OC (I also have zero experience with it :)), I'd prefer the 3770k with a possibility to OC it a little when needed.

Any other advice?

I'm not sure what mobo to get.
Will the PSU be enough, will everything fit, ...
 
PepperNinja said:
Thanks for the advice.
You confirmed what I was thinking. :) 3930k is great, but overkill for my needs.

An OC 3570k should be able to outperform a stock 3770k, but since I'm not planning to go mental on the OC (I also have zero experience with it :)), I'd prefer the 3770k with a possibility to OC it a little when needed.

Any other advice?

I'm not sure what mobo to get.
Will the PSU be enough, will everything fit, ...
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The 3570k and 3770k are both exactly the same, just the 3770k has hyperthreading. No programs other than rendering make use of the 4 hyperthreaded cores, and especially in gaming it makes no sense whatsoever to buy a 3770k. It isnt a question of an OC 3570k being able to outperform a stock 3770k...a 3570k at stock will be identical in performance to a 3770k also at stock.

Power supply, look at the corsair AX850 if it isnt too expensive as that will easily provide enough power for the dual 670s.
For motherboard, all the Z77 boards are good and you'll not go wrong with any. The MSI series ie - Z77A-GD45, GD55 and GD65 are all good choices as they overclock very well and are well made.
 
I agree with the above, a 3570k will be what you need. Games don't use 8 threads. In fact few use 4.

You are actually better off getting a chip with out hyperthreading if you intend on overclocking at all for gaming. HT requires more volts for the same clock as a non-HT chip and it therefore runs hotter. You might as well get the i5 which will get a better overclock for the same volts and temps - games will make use of that extra couple hundred MHz but won't make use of the extra threads.

Rest of the build looks good!
 
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Master&Puppet said:
I agree with the above, a 3570k will be what you need. Games don't use 8 threads. In fact few use 4.

You are actually better off getting a chip with out hyperthreading if you intend on overclocking at all for gaming. HT requires more volts for the same clock as a non-HT chip and it therefore runs hotter. You might as well get the i5 which will get a better overclock for the same volts and temps - games will make use of that extra couple hundred MHz but won't make use of the extra threads.

Rest of the build looks good!
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Funnily enough that hasnt been the case with me and my mate. On the same motherboard, me with a D14 and a 3770k, him with a custom loop with a 3570k, I can reach 4.5ghz while keeping under 1.2v whilst he needs just short of 1.3v to get that same clock speed.

I'm guessing it's due to silicone lottery, and by that I'm thinking both extremes for luck as I know the 3570k should get better clocks than mine.
 
For you, James, I don't think it's the case that you've won the silicone lottery, although your voltages are enviable, I just think your friend has got one of those chips that doesn't like to play ball.

Still, everything James said has been true - pair the 3570k up with a G45/GD55 and you'll be laughing mate. The difference between the two boards are marginal, and neither of the changes made will make any real difference to the end user, anyway (stay away from OC Genie!).
Best of luck with your build :)
 
jamesriley94 said:
Funnily enough that hasnt been the case with me and my mate. On the same motherboard, me with a D14 and a 3770k, him with a custom loop with a 3570k, I can reach 4.5ghz while keeping under 1.2v whilst he needs just short of 1.3v to get that same clock speed.

I'm guessing it's due to silicone lottery, and by that I'm thinking both extremes for luck as I know the 3570k should get better clocks than mine.
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Yea, sometimes you don't get lucky :(
 
Probably not, but I dont really know!

I dont really see the difference with IB with voltages. Every chip is able to hit 4.5ghz without going over 1.3v anyway, meaning every chip is capable of running that for 24/7. Any higher and regardless of the chip you need way more volts to push to 4.6/4.7 anyway so I dont think it matters a great deal, unless you're just going for the 5ghz boot ;)

Which - btw - I tried to get to again last night, just because my WEI scores are 7.8 for processor and 7.9 for everything else. I tried to push it up just to get that 7.9 and it wouldnt have it at all. I know it doesnt mean much, but still something to brag about to folk who know little about computers. I went up to 1.5v to try and get stability and it wouldnt even manage that at 5.0ghz or 4.9. Was fearful I'd killed it a little after I couldnt get it stable at what it was running at before, but I'm now thinking that was a RAM issue.
 
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