Excalabur50
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Glad it's awesome for you mate!Lol ^_^
I'm currently testing it, I'm sorry to report due to it being awesome I shall have to keep hold of it for further testing
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NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
I would hope so for a 70% price premium...
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
The reference "Made by AMD" 7900XTX is a 2 slot card, This is 3+ as Sapphire like to go overboard with power delivery and cooling so it stays as cool, Stable and as quiet as possible and it is very quiet when in use.
Also bare in mind that a 4090 costs nearly £600, Or 8100 Krona/Krone, More than this card so for that amount more I damn well hope it would perform better ^_^
AlienALX
Well-known member
I find it funny that the 4090 costs over twice as much yet does not offer twice as much performance.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
I actually did ^_^
I got offered a silly amount for the 4090 Founders Edition, Nearly near the original price, So I sold it, Got the 7900XTX Nitro+ for near 900 and pocketed £400.
There are people out there obsessed with Nvidia's FE cards and I'm all to happy to take advantage of that obsession
Performance is fantastic, I don't care about RT and everything is running smoothly so I'm quite happy
Dawelio
Active member
Fair enough, was just messing about
Although £600 for an 4090? Damn that’s what 4070’s cost here… Here an 4090 FE costs £1600, which is also the cheapest 4090 you can get essentially.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
Yep, £600 more than the 7900XTX, and I'd wager Nvidia's next gen are going to be even more expensive.
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Not so sure this time around. There's too much bad press on these melting connectors and if the 5xxx is pulling more watts then it leaves us even more uneasy.
Usually you would be 100% right on that.
KingNosser
Well-known member
It's a newer node there is no way the 5k series will be the same price IMHO but it's possible but until these connectors are done right without these minor changes needed or adapters needed so you don't have an absolute eyesore in your case I'd avoid them myself.
They could so easily designed it better and regardless of how much they spend on the cooler it doesn't mean they aren't being cheapened elsewhere.
The sapphire cards are solid in every way, it's the exact card I would get currently but IMHO I'll be upgrading in the 9k series i expect as tempting as it is I don't need it right now when my card is still performing well.
Personally as sleek as the founders editions are they would look like a sore thumb in my case, I'm not even heavily into rgb I simply like matching lighting and it tends to always be black and blue much like Tom with white and red we all have a preference some have completely closed cases where you see nothing all preference.
They could so easily designed it better and regardless of how much they spend on the cooler it doesn't mean they aren't being cheapened elsewhere.
The sapphire cards are solid in every way, it's the exact card I would get currently but IMHO I'll be upgrading in the 9k series i expect as tempting as it is I don't need it right now when my card is still performing well.
Personally as sleek as the founders editions are they would look like a sore thumb in my case, I'm not even heavily into rgb I simply like matching lighting and it tends to always be black and blue much like Tom with white and red we all have a preference some have completely closed cases where you see nothing all preference.
Dawelio
Active member
You do realise that it's pretty much only 4090's that has had melting connector issues? 4080S and below haven't as far as I know, due to they simply don't pull enough power to cause them...
On Norway market, the 2080 series, 3080 and 4080 have all released at the same price. Can't compare the x090 card as it didnt exist pre rtx 3rd Gen, but that said. 3090 and 4090 also released same price.
So yeah, Turing vs Ampere yielded no price hike. I think Nvidia needs to do something reasonable as it feels like their sales have stalled a little. And I put it partially down to connector confidence.
Of course im aware of this. But based on leaks, the 5th Gen is going to pull more power. So you could potentially expect 4090 power draws on the 5080 card. Do I want to take a chance and dropping 1000 euro on a card to have this problem? Nope! Of course its all assumptions, but i want to invest in something with 99% assurance of longevity.
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Dicehunter
Resident Newb
This is why we need AMD and Intel to do well as neither are apparently going the 12VHPWR route.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Technically all they realistically had to do was update the current standards to a 2.0 version, and with that update, just means it uses thicker gauge wire as well as a higher insulation temperature rating. Hardly any changes would have been necessary. Slightly enlarged connectors and pin slots. That's easy to do.
Hopefully that's what AMD and Intel push for.
Dawelio
Active member
Wonder if it's now as easy to do as you put it, why haven't/didn't they? Have they inentionally not done this cause they are that evil that they don't care if certain GPUs connections melt?...
Because proprietary technology sells. Give consumers something no other brand has and you have gained their interest.
Dawelio
Active member
Get your point, although my previous question still stands though. The connector would still be prioprietary, wether the changes NBD mentioned or not.
So again, why haven’t they made said suggested changes if it’s now as easy as NBD makes it out to be?
Should be very easy for basically one of the wealthiest companies in the world to make said changes, why haven’t they? Wouldn’t it sell even more if they make said changes to this prioprietary connector since being more secure and safe - two words that consumers love?
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Your question doesn't stand though? It's already been answered by my first post you quoted.
You take the existing standard we have. But you make it a stricter one. Force an increase to gauge and better insulation. Assuming the current connectors cannot fit this thicker gauge wire, you merely would need to expand the connection slots.
Fitting gauges of wire into connectors is done everyday. How do you think your house is wired? Or buildings? They have different size wire for different needs and by association different connectors to fit that wire. It's not complicated thing to do. Wire gauge is a set standard in every country.
If I had to make a guess. Thicker wires arent always the solution. Odd that it sounds, a thicker wire can massively reduce the resistance as we have more electrons flowing. This could potentially cause damage. Of course its fixable by adding more resistance to the overall design, but then that may have a knock-on effect to other areas of the PCB design leading to a bigger cost than we think. I'm just spit balling though.
Point is, increasing the gauge is not so easy. I actually prefer Nvidias way of going about it, but it just feels like its still in test phase and we are the test pilots right now.
Dawelio
Active member
Oh I fully understand regarding gauges etc. But that’s not the conversation we’re having.
You said it’s basically as simple as making the wires thicker. Then I asked, if it’s as easy as you say it is, why haven’t they made this change then?
Surely such an simple ”fix” wouldn’t be that big of a cost for one of the wealthiest companies in the world. So again, if it’s that simple, why haven’t they done said implementation yet?
The point I’m trying to make here is that you write something that might seem easy in theory, but there must be something else as to why they haven’t implemented said simple ”fix” to the problem?
So yes, my question still stands
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