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[NeverBackDown]

If I had to make a guess. Thicker wires arent always the solution. Odd that it sounds, a thicker wire can massively reduce the resistance as we have more electrons flowing. This could potentially cause damage. Of course its fixable by adding more resistance to the overall design, but then that may have a knock-on effect to other areas of the PCB design leading to a bigger cost than we think. I'm just spit balling though.

Point is, increasing the gauge is not so easy. I actually prefer Nvidias way of going about it, but it just feels like its still in test phase and we are the test pilots right now.

Thicker gauge wire lessens the overall resistance yes, but you are designing the GPU anyway. Its not an inconvenience. Especially if you had a ATX 2.0 requirement where the standards are set and agreed upon by everybody. Regardless less resistance means its a more efficient design and reduces the heat involved. Which currently is a big problem. Current is directly proportional to Volts and Resistance( I = V/R ). If you reduce resistance, you reduce the overall amps needed to drive the GPU. Less Resistance = less heat generated + less current consumed, ie, more efficient design.

Depending on how they go about it, you would need to use different insulation. Which isn't a hard thing to do either. Merely meeting the NEC (In America) requirements is all you need to do, the solution is source different insulation.

So my point still stands. It is easy and its an extremely common thing to do. When you run a service to a house you find out exactly what is being used and size the wire appropriately. Its the same thing for GPUs. You know exactly the specifications required to run your GPUs and standards used in the industry. You simply can propose an amendment or extension of the standards to enable more power hungry products that can be used in a safe way.


I disagree with Nvidias way of doing it. There should not be a test phase. A multi billion dollar company solely focused on one product type has no excuse to design and launch a product with so many issues.

@Dawelio
Even if I did not answer your question in your opinion. Warchild already has. Nvidia want exlcusive control and to keep you in their ecosystem.

 

[KingNosser]

My feelings on this is it's less about cost and more about making a product that will work past it's warranty then at some point fail.

They are not breaking any law or safety in doing so but your need a new card sooner and I see that as the whole point nvidia do this even in terms of software features always have done going back as far as physx

They are a biz and the sooner within reason they can get you to rebuild or upgrade due to software that's the aim.

Modern day is very different just look at cars as an example safety is one aspect but I know my grandads old car could hit a brick wall and he'd be safe as would the car but the wall gone now days it's the opposite the wall stays the car crumples and your safe. Which is better pick your choice but personally I prefer the older classic design and style regardless.

Just an analogy but I think it's on point as look at the gtx1080 the God card so called for a reason and they have no wish to repeat that style of product as it was incredible value and your never see it again plain and simple.

 

[Dawelio]

Technically all they realistically had to do was update the current standards to a 2.0 version, and with that update, just means it uses thicker gauge wire as well as a higher insulation temperature rating. Hardly any changes would have been necessary. Slightly enlarged connectors and pin slots. That's easy to do.

Because proprietary technology sells. Give consumers something no other brand has and you have gained their interest.

@Dawelio
Even if I did not answer your question in your opinion. Warchild already has. Nvidia want exlcusive control and to keep you in their ecosystem.

Right... so Warchild explained that they want to keep exclusive control as to why they have an proprietary technology, ie the connector.

You said that to make this proprietary technology/connector better is easy, to enlarge the connectors and pin slots.

Then you replied that Warchilds reply is an answer to my question?... So Basically the reason they haven't made this easy change that you say is easy for them, is so that they can keep their exclusive, hence proprietary, control.
Although the connector already is just that? Making the changes you suggested is "easy" once again, doesn't change that fact at all does it? By simply enlarging the already existing design, it will still be the same design, just slightly enlarged.

Hence what you said regarding Warchild's post about exclusive control being an reply to my question, I fail to see it unfortunately.

Cause my question is this; They have their exclusive control over the proprietary connector already. And you say it's "easy" for them to make it better by enlarging it... then why haven't they made this "easy" change then? - I find it difficult and strange seeing it because they want to keep their exclusive control, when they already have it lol.

 

[Dicehunter]

Yeah but listen to this... pineapple belongs on pizza.

 

[Dawelio]

Yeah but listen to this... pineapple belongs on pizza.

 

[NeverBackDown]

Right... so Warchild explained that they want to keep exclusive control as to why they have an proprietary technology, ie the connector.

You said that to make this proprietary technology/connector better is easy, to enlarge the connectors and pin slots.

Then you replied that Warchilds reply is an answer to my question?... So Basically the reason they haven't made this easy change that you say is easy for them, is so that they can keep their exclusive, hence proprietary, control.
Although the connector already is just that? Making the changes you suggested is "easy" once again, doesn't change that fact at all does it? By simply enlarging the already existing design, it will still be the same design, just slightly enlarged.

Hence what you said regarding Warchild's post about exclusive control being an reply to my question, I fail to see it unfortunately.

Cause my question is this; They have their exclusive control over the proprietary connector already. And you say it's "easy" for them to make it better by enlarging it... then why haven't they made this "easy" change then? - I find it difficult and strange seeing it because they want to keep their exclusive control, when they already have it lol.

This isn't hard to understand. Beating a dead horse here.
Nvidia designed their connector for control.

Updating an industry standard to enable high power GPUs to exist with less cables is not proprietary control. Industry standard works for everybody. They don't want that. They want to force the industry to follow them.

I make the claim it's easy because it is. The hardest part is pushing it through the vetting process to enable a new standard.

 

[Dicehunter]

For my 7800X3D, Saw it and needed it ^_^

 

[Excalabur50]

For my 7800X3D, Saw it and needed it ^_^

Nice buy Dicey, IMHO one of thhe nicest looking boards on the market and if MSI didn't end up giving me the X670E Carbon I would have liked to try and get this one myself.

 

[Dicehunter]

Nice buy Dicey, IMHO one of thhe nicest looking boards on the market and if MSI didn't end up giving me the X670E Carbon I would have liked to try and get this one myself.

It is a really nice board but I'm actually going to be putting on some vinyl on top of the marbled plastic surfaces in the same dark grey as the Sapphire GPU so it all blends in a bit more

 

[Excalabur50]

It is a really nice board but I'm actually going to be putting on some vinyl on top of the marbled plastic surfaces in the same dark grey as the Sapphire GPU so it all blends in a bit more

NNNNoooooooo! Don't do that you're killing the best part of the board..........do what the Guv did.

 

[Dicehunter]

NNNNoooooooo! Don't do that you're killing the best part of the board..........do what the Guv did.

If I had the facilities, tools and materials I would

 

[Warchild]

"saw it and needed it" and proceeded to ruin it with Vinyl.

Dicehunter : mystifying the masses with illogical behaviour since.. forever

 

[Dicehunter]

"saw it and needed it" and proceeded to ruin it with Vinyl.

Dicehunter : mystifying the masses with illogical behaviour since.. forever

Vinyl is my homage to really bad mods of the early 2000's

 

[AlienALX]

Yeah not a fan of the marble. Looks like my nan's old telephone table in her hallway.

RIP nana, love you xxxx

 

[Dicehunter]

Ok saw it in person and I now like the marble effect although it's giving off some strong Sistine chapel vibes

 

[Dicehunter]

All installed and tidied up

 

[Excalabur50]

Now that looks sweet Dicey!

 

[Dicehunter]

Now that looks sweet Dicey!

Thank you, Just need to save up a little now and get another 2 sticks of memory ^_^

 

[Excalabur50]

Thank you, Just need to save up a little now and get another 2 sticks of memory ^_^

Unless you want a massive ball ache DON'T run 4 sticks of DDR5! Always get the capacity of what you need in 2 sticks whenever possible, as per Buildzoid's extensive testing and overclocking with DDR5 ram.

 

[Warchild]

Unless you want a massive ball ache DON'T run 4 sticks of DDR5! Always get the capacity of what you need in 2 sticks whenever possible, as per Buildzoid's extensive testing and overclocking with DDR5 ram.

Got the link? because that sounds like a massive flaw or just min maxing performance.