Not much left to the Imagine'ation - Magazine publisher serves up porno to minors

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I'm afraid I have to disgaree with zzzzz. This might not necesarily be porn, but it is still innapropriate for a child to look at. I have not noticed the Guardian advertising sex lines or porno photos.

Unless I missed something, I believe Mayhem said that he scanned the photos in so they are representative of the magazines on the shelves. Mayhem is acting as a concerned parent, not some fundamentalist nutjob.
 
I'll tell you what I find much more offensive than porn adverts in the back of games magazines -- the butchery visited upon the English language by the douche who wrote this 'exposé'.

Mayhem, it is your responsibility as a parent to ensure that your children have a firm and solid understanding of the English language, but you're not setting a very good example.

Therefore, I suggest you carry a warning sticker that states: "Warning! Should only be engaged in conversation if you want to lose brain power."
 
name='Diablo' said:
I'm afraid I have to disgaree with zzzzz. This might not necesarily be porn, but it is still innapropriate for a child to look at. I have not noticed the Guardian advertising sex lines or porno photos.

You're right, it's not suitable for a child to view (but it's still not pornography, and ot 18 rated). But do you really think it's a deliberate conspiracy to market porn to children so they buy video game mags for it?

"Could this be an indication that this publisher is purposely aiming their advertisements at impressionable minds? To confirm my theory I walked into Tesco's myself and hunted down more publications by the same group (such as Photography and PC magazines) and found no pornographic advertisement's at all. This is almost undeniable proof that they are aiming their pornographic material directly at the younger generations. A very disturbing thought."

Just think for a second how stupid that sounds. Look at the massive leap in logic. And let's not forget they're NOT marketed towards kids. It's like when anti-game zealots assume all video games are made for kids when in fact the vast majority of gamers are in the 18-32 demographic. He posted a cover with Max Payne on the front ffs. He would have been fine letting his daughter read how Ezio can slit two throats at once in AC2.

Unless I missed something, I believe Mayhem said that he scanned the photos in so they are representative of the magazines on the shelves. Mayhem is acting as a concerned parent, not some fundamentalist nutjob.

A concerned parent who dragged his daughter round shops buying magazines and taking photos of it, so her "mind would not be warped". Do you know who did the exact same thing? Jack Thompson. And all he's done is prove the same thing Thompson did, that kids get their hands on unsuitable stuff due to lousy parents.
 
No the idea was as proof it does happen.

Read form the beginning my son bought a mag with his own pocket money. drop the mag on the table top and went and played the cover disk. i read mag and couldn't believe that he had been sold it in the first place (because of no age on it) so i then so called dragged my daughter around town and tested it out. (all though she wasn't dragged just your words)..

There story has been slimmed down a lot for the page.

all you have done is come on here looking for a fight.
 
name='Chad Sexington' said:
I'll tell you what I find much more offensive than porn adverts in the back of games magazines -- the butchery visited upon the English language by the douche who wrote this 'exposé'.

Mayhem, it is your responsibility as a parent to ensure that your children have a firm and solid understanding of the English language, but you're not setting a very good example.

Therefore, I suggest you carry a warning sticker that states: "Warning! Should only be engaged in conversation if you want to lose brain power."
Excuse me:

A. You are swearing

B. Some people do happen to have dyslexia, and besides this article is not aimed at kids.

C. Your post should have the very same sticker.

Please do remove this post as it's completely useless and doesn't fit in the topic but it has to be said.
 
I'm quoting your own article. You said they were deliberately pushing porn on children. You said it should be 18 rated for porno. You said it was only because of the porn ads that you were concerned. Your article is littered with factual inaccuracies.
 
take a step back and read it carefully.

The point being made though is quite simple.

Children should not have access to these mags. they should be rated. Simple as that (that's is really all i am after) ... with a 15 or 18 sticker so shops no there is questionable content inside.

so us as parents would have to buy that mag if we would like our child to see its contents. The aim or goal is to stop mags getting away with a legal loop hole in the law.

Ask the editors of the mags what they think of the adds in there own mags. They do not like it.

Ask parents what do they think, they do not like it.

Ask a young teenage boy what he thinks he will tell you its oky ..... and guess what i fully understand that.

oh yes why don't the post them adds in mags that are for the more professional person if there that desperate. simple because if they did no one would by them. so why are they targeting console mags .. work it out for you self ...
 
Just read through the whole article again and can only say that I fully support you mayhem. Your methods used seem neutral to me, particularly letting your daughter pick the magazines in the first part.

I have to argue with the aiming at young people being a leap, it's not. Photography is indeed aimed at older people where the gaming magazines are - in my experience - most of the time bought by younger people. If the adverts are only in these magazines, conclusions can be drawn. This may not be the publisher's choice (the 'industry' decides the magazines they want to be in after all), but it still is their responsibility to protect the underage readers.

Advertising something should be considered the same as or close to the actual sale of the product, which makes this a violation of the law in my eyes.

Hope your local paper can kick things up more, and I'm looking forward to your next article.
 
Just received a IP ban on there own forums for confronting the guys with what there up to.

They don't like having images of there adverts on there own forums ..... i wonder why. you would have thought they might be happy people taking a interest in there own magazine.
 
Mayhem I would just ignore the trolls and people trying to incite an angry response from you, they are just poor attention grabbers.

Although there are a few grammar and spelling mistakes in the article, it was a shocking and both interesting read. I also had no idea about what those magazines contained, I've only ever bought Denis Publishing magazines.

Again, an interesting and well thought out article. Send it to a newspaper, they love scandal/expose type stories.
 
I wrote a long reply but I got logged out and it dissapeared.

Basically,

You are impressively involved and aware of your kids gaming life, something lacking in most parents

These magazines feature a majority of content for over 18s they are marketed at the 18-30 group.That said there is not content that is by definition or law inapropriate for minors. It is equivelent to that seen on billboards hence the lack of an age rating.

These images are in all(most all) brittish publications. Dont descriminate against game mags. Kids read celeb mags as well

Porn is an ever changing ideal. There was a time Ulysses was porn, now it's concidered a classic novel. Moral: Generational gaps skew perspective

I'm not saying let your kids see this stuff, It's your right and responsibility to protect them.

It is hypocritical to allow advertising without purchase of Violent material but not sexual. You may want to concider your reasons for thinking this. Violence is, if anything, more destructive.

As you are a vigilent and involved parent continue this over to their reading material. Scan through the magasines and remove any questionable material either physically or with quick drying white out paint.

If your son is a young teenager you cant fight him developing a sexuality and if you try it will create distance between you two

Finally, you mentioned that you have newspaper interviews lined up. They will twist your words and try to place the entirety of blame on the magazines and/or the government. Hold true to your ideals of involved parenthood and dont let them alter the story that is there to create headlines. It's easy to get swept up. Take a breath and think before you say anything. Dont talk about something that you dont know about. This mistake was made by fox news' "expert" in the Mass Effect Sex Scene scandal and permanantly damaged her reputation and hurt her financially. I suggest you look up and verse yourself in the scandal and it's outcomes in preperation for your interviews.

[I'm a new forum member, linked from kotaku, a gamer blog, where I post under the same name]
 
I registered just to post this. *snip*



*shame you couldn't have kept it constructive. You've wasted your time. Account banned. Post edited* - Jim
 
name='OMG!!!1' said:
I registered just to post this. **** you.

While you may think that this has done some good, basically you have ****ed over all under 15's who used to buy these magazines FOR THE GAMES REVIEWS NOT THE PORN!!! Do you think kids go and buy this for "porn" ads? So if they make all magazines like Xbox 360 and PS3 Monthly of whatever all 18's would be a huge ****storm.

****tard.

¬_¬

What a strange response.

Surely if games mags containing grotty ads got slapped with a 15+ or 18+ stamp, your issue would be with the magazine publisher, not a concerned parent?

You should be asking the magazine publisher to drop the ads so that you can continue to read the magazine you enjoy, rather than moaning at the person who has highlighted a problem with the way ad space is used.

Ever heard the phrase "don't shoot the messenger"?
 
are you serious?

Oh my freaking god...you people are out of your minds. There is not one bit of true pornography in these magazines. Yes there are ads for services, but i would bet that there aren't any images that would be considered actual porn. When these ads actually show Female exposed nipples, pubic area, or they show an exposed *****, i will worry about this being porn. Until then you people really need to pull the stick out of your asses and stop being such uptight ****ers. These ads likely show less skin then you would see on myspace, and since there are no actual naked people in these ads i would wager they could be posted on myspace too. Get off your high horses and stop being so uptight.

"OH MY GOD MY KID MIGHT GET THE SLIGHT HINT THAT WE ALL COME FROM SEX!!!!!!!!":nono:
 
I've been reading some more on this topic. What mayhem is proposing isn't new - people have been trying to get age certification on magazines for years now. For example, in 2004 there was a similar furore surrounding the over-sexualisation of magazines aimed at young girls, which promoted promiscutiy and normalised the idea of sex among teenagers. Teachers in the UK called for a legal certification for magazines (as opposed to the self-regulation we have today). In response, the Periodical Publishers Association (PPA - a name that comes up a lot) said a certification system would be both "impractical and unworkable"

While children wouldn't be able to buy certain magazines, they would be able to buy any tabloid newspaper and book, look at all kinds of material over the internet and watch programmes before the watershed which deal with issues like teenage rape and pregnancy.

We feel these ideas are very misinformed. This area of the magazine industry is already very tightly controlled.

Then again, in 2006, responding to calls to certify "lads magazines", such as Nuts and Zoo

Magazine publishers and retailers believe the resultant Code is strengthened, and its voluntary nature is far more effective and flexible than any statutory regulation, given that standards of taste and decency are constantly changing. Ultimately it is the retailers' responsibility to sell products, and to use their discretion and judgment as they see fit to display and sell those products, including magazines.

Their letter to MPs who supported such a scheme contained a line:

It has been acknowledged that ‘lad’s mags’ do not contain pornographic material, and are not adult materials in the sense that they do not contain such material.

This is interesting to me because no-one could possibly argue that even the worst advertisments in games magazines could possibly come close to the content of these "lads magazines"

A similar call for certification in 2008 was dismissed by editors of magazines. The editorial director of Maxim said this:

I don’t think it’s going to affect people in bikinis [or underwear] because [the MP who suggested the certification] will be moving a lot of women’s magazines onto the top shelf as well. If it’s a catch all women in bikinis you’d be looking at underwear catalogues etc… It’s just a storm in a teacup that doesn’t concern us.

And from the PPA

We work closely with retailers to advise them how best to display magazines, but ultimately we leave it to retailers to use their discretion to rack titles as they feel appropriate to their customers and business.

Again, I'm not really disagreeing with mayhem - like I said in my original post, I wrote to Paragon publishing in 2005 over a similar issue. I'm, again, just pointing out the difficulty in creating a formula by which there could be a consistent certification across all content. On top of this, I personally don't think that it's up to a government, publisher or retailer to decide what is or isn't appropriate for children - that is the parent's job. I remember hearing about Dan Savage, a sex advice columnist, who thought that the Disney TV show "The Suite Life of Zack and Cody" was corrupting his child. Even an age rating on this show wouldn't have helped him decide if this show was inappropriate - he had to find out for himself.

One other thing I would just like to point out is that although there's been a big point about video game magazines having these ads but photography and sci-fi magazines do not - most UK film magazines (well, Empire and Total Film, which are the only two I've checked) both run these ads across at least four pages at the back of their magazines.

Phew.

(I'm too new, so I can't post URLs, but google the quotes and you'll find the stories they're taken from)
 
mayhem, you're sad for even posting this article, Truely. The internet is for porn, magazines are for reading. If you think that's porn, I can show you worse than that. You're one of the reasons why companies like this get in trouble, and it's a ****ing disgrace. You won't make any difference, now or in the future, and it was a waste of time typing that up. Got any more stupid, senseless articles I can comment on? I'll go have a look, shall I?
 
Some magazines are clearly aimed at adults, while others are not.

Nuts, for example, is a magazine that I would expect to carry porn ads. And I would never suggest it shouldn't do so. The magazine is overtly sexual, so sexual adverts are relevant. And young teens that buy it, do so for a specific reason. Whether or not a child can buy Nuts is an issue not really related to advertising.

Games magazines are different because in most cases it's not immediately obvious that a specific age group is targetted. Covers contain game imagery that is just as likely to endear the mag to 12-year-old readers as it is 30-year-olds. Publishers should understand this and approve advertisers accordingly. Porn ads are not relevant to content or appropriate to readership.

Anyway, right or wrong, the one thing people do tend to agree on is that smut ads DO make magazines look grotty. It's surprising Imagine is comfortable with this - the company constantly boasts about its 'high quality' production for its magazines, but then completely undermines the effort by stuffing low-quality smut into its pages. Smut ads should be removed for the sake of quality, if nothing else really.
 
name='NotAnIdiot' said:

Your post shows your intelligence, congratulations.

all of your arguments are invalid or poorly represented and frankly incorrect. Read the article properly and ensure you understand it, which may take you some years.

Desist from swearing or you will be banned.

@rarrrrgh - you signed up to comment on the article and clearly 'wasted' your own time to do so. Again you obviously didn't read the article properly and have not the sense to understand it.

Any more trolling will be dealt with by bans.
 
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