New build list questions

[Rickeyhb]

PCPartPicker part list

CPU: Intel Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($327.49 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: EVGA CLC 280 113.5 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Thermal Compound: ARCTIC MX4 4g Thermal Paste ($6.49 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus STRIX Z270-E GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($188.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($123.25 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 960 Evo 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($249.99 @ B&H)
Case: Fractal Design Define C with Window ATX Mid Tower Case ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($92.99 @ B&H)
Monitor1: Asus PG279Q ROG Swift 27.0" 2560x1440 165Hz Monitor ($727.99 @ Jet)
Monitor2: Asus ROG SWIFT PG278QR 27.0" 2560x1440 144Hz Monitor ($639.99 @ B&H)
Keyboard: Razer BlackWidow Chroma V2 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($181.41 @ Amazon)
PSU1: EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 G2, 80+ GOLD 1000W, Fully Modular ($159.00)
PSU2: EVGA SuperNOVA 850 G2, 80+ GOLD 850W, Fully Modular ($139.00)
GPU: EVGA 1080 Ti (SC / SC2 / FTW3)

I am not sure about the monitors which one I am going to be happiest about (1ms TN 165Hz) vs (4ms IPS 165Hz), If I bought another would the TN panel be annoying because I wont sit right in front of it?

About the PSU I have used http://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator to calculate the needed power and if/when I would buy another GPU I end up using just about 900W with some tweaks on the GPU overvoltage but I am not sure what it is?

Will all of this work together ?

Is the MB big enough to have 1080Ti as SLI ?

 

[Avet]

For monitors I would strongly recommend PG279Q. IPS is so much better that TN. 1ms vs 4ms you won't even notice. PG279Q is probably the best 1440p gaming monitor that you can buy right now. I din't understand do you have PG278Q at the moment and you want to add another monitor? Or why do you want 2 different monitors?
Go to http://www.tftcentral.co.uk for monitor reviews. Those guys use some seriously expensive equipment to test monitors.

850W would be more than enough for all that, and second GPU. If the price is not the problem go for 1000W, just for the peace of mind, and to get your PSU in the nice sweetspot at 50% power load.

2 GPUS will fit perfectly in that board.

 

[Rickeyhb]

Thanks for the reply and answering all my questions.

No i don't have a monitor now, it was just in the case where i would have two monitors of either PG278QR or PG279Q would i be annoyed by the narrow view angle on the TN panel.

I'd love to hear more opinions from everyone.

 

[Avet]

It is not just narrow angle on TN panel. IPS has much, and i mean seen from the plane, better colors. Once you went to IPS you don't return to TN.

 

[NeverBackDown]

It is not just narrow angle on TN panel. IPS has much, and i mean seen from the plane, better colors. Once you went to IPS you don't return to TN.

You should stop over exaggerating the difference. It's not that big.
I went from IPS to TN. Hardly noticed a difference. What you do notice is the high frame rate feels so smooth. That's a bigger difference people notice. If you do a lot of color work, then a cheap IPS panel is already out of the question, you'd get an expensive one for the most accurate work. TN is the better option for gaming.

However since he is considering an expensive IPS monitor with the same frame rate, get the IPS. You won't notice the response time difference at 165hz..

 

[Avet]

I am not exaggerating. There is a noticeable difference with colors on IPS vs TN. Especially blacks, and contrast. On high quality TN panel it is less striking, but there is a difference. With low latency IPS vs TN there is no noticeable difference with smoothness. This is written in stone somewhere. It is known since the beginning of time for LCD panels. In the early days there was trade off colors (IPS) vs response (TN). Now the IPS panels caught TN with response but TN didn't caught up with color accuracy. There are many other characteristics of panels that add to that difference like uniformity of the panel, input lag etc... Thing is weather you choose not to see them, or you are not bothered with it, or you even don't know what to look at. For most of the people it just doesn't matter. But the objective answer is that there is a noticeable difference.

The question is are you bothered by the difference or not. Simple as that.

 

[Rickeyhb]

So you both agree that when we compare these two monitors the IPS is the best ?
Even though the TN is faster and has more features as NVIDIA 3D and display-port 1.2 vs 1.0 (I have no idea what the difference is)

About the http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/ and other screen comparison sites, none of them have tested new PG278QR

 

[NeverBackDown]

I am not exaggerating.

You are. Have you used them side by side like I have? Did you actually see for yourself or just going off what you think it would be like? I am guessing the latter.

So you both agree that when we compare these two monitors the IPS is the best ?
Even though the TN is faster and has more features as NVIDIA 3D and display-port 1.2 vs 1.0 (I have no idea what the difference is)

About the http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/ and other screen comparison sites, none of them have tested new PG278QR

Yes considering they both offer at least a 144hz rate and the ms difference won't be noticeable you may as well get the added benefit of the IPS panel.
Both support G-Sync, which means both monitors automatically support DP 1.2. Dp 1.2 is the minimum required standard of the G-Sync module in all GSync enabled monitors.
3D is useless and I can't think of any recent games that support it. I mean Batman series was popular for it, but I don't even think the newest one supports it(don't quote me on that).

Not sure what the difference is with the new "R" monitor. But it's newer than the previous one, so if anything it is better. Probably better/newer quality panel or more refined built-in color profiles, blue light technology, etc etc.

 

[Avet]

I haven't seen those two side by side. But I own upper middish Dell P2414H, and i can tell the difference vs friends PG248Q. Even though that is a top TN panel mine blacks are more black, colors are more vivid, and his are sort of washed out. Also i have been building PCs since the era of CRT monitors so i know quite a lot about the hardware. Either way there is science between these types of panels that is undeniable, and that can't be argued about. Everything else is personal perception, and personal opinion, like i have said does it bother you or not.

You can tell without knowing model names which is TN, which IPS just by looking at them. Also guys at tftcentral have measured input lag, and weirdly IPS has less input lag. Not noticeable to the naked eye, but there is no advantage to the fast TN panel.

Here is a comparison video of those 2 ROGs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79r5rxS276Y.

As i have seen in the specs on PG278QR they just added overclock to 165Hz that PG279Q had, and PG278Q went only to 144Hz.

 

[Avet]

To the starter of the thread. Sorry for the argument, but good arguments are good. Short answer is yes PG279Q is the better panel, that is why it costs more. It is probably the best monitor for gaming currently on the market at 16:9.

 

[Rickeyhb]

I enjoy reading a good argument, after all this is the same kind of argument I have had with myself.

I think all my questions have been answered, now I'll wait for the GPU and I will start buying So excited !

The debate may continue.

 

[Avet]

I am glad that we helped you make up your mind. Good luck with your purchase, and i hope we will see your build here on forum.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

I am not exaggerating. There is a noticeable difference with colors on IPS vs TN. Especially blacks, and contrast. On high quality TN panel it is less striking, but there is a difference. With low latency IPS vs TN there is no noticeable difference with smoothness. This is written in stone somewhere. It is known since the beginning of time for LCD panels. In the early days there was trade off colors (IPS) vs response (TN). Now the IPS panels caught TN with response but TN didn't caught up with color accuracy. There are many other characteristics of panels that add to that difference like uniformity of the panel, input lag etc... Thing is weather you choose not to see them, or you are not bothered with it, or you even don't know what to look at. For most of the people it just doesn't matter. But the objective answer is that there is a noticeable difference.

The question is are you bothered by the difference or not. Simple as that.

There are TN monitors that come close to IPS contrast and deep blacks. It's just that they are generally not aimed at gamers so most would not have heard of them. My previous Samsung 120Hz 1080p screen had excellent colour reproduction and contrast and it was a TN panel. It had a high gloss screen and was thus gorgeous to use. The negative to that is that gaming in Summer became almost impossible unless at night time. The glare was unusable. When I replaced it, at the time IPS panels had such appalling quality control that another TN panel (but with a matte finish) was the only reasonable option. I don't know whether ASUS and Acer have stopped releasing €700 monitors with BLB, yellowing, and ten dead pixels, but if they have then that's great. If they haven't I don't recommend them. You're playing the monitor lottery and I don't think we should be feeding the mouth that bites us. But that's just me. I paid less for my monitor, have two dead pixels instead of ten, and zero BLB. I'd rather that than pay an extra €200 and risk receiving a dud. Until quality is consistent like TN then I won't be upgrading.

PCPartPicker part list

CPU: Intel Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($327.49 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: EVGA CLC 280 113.5 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Thermal Compound: ARCTIC MX4 4g Thermal Paste ($6.49 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus STRIX Z270-E GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($188.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($123.25 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 960 Evo 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($249.99 @ B&H)
Case: Fractal Design Define C with Window ATX Mid Tower Case ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($92.99 @ B&H)
Monitor1: Asus PG279Q ROG Swift 27.0" 2560x1440 165Hz Monitor ($727.99 @ Jet)
Monitor2: Asus ROG SWIFT PG278QR 27.0" 2560x1440 144Hz Monitor ($639.99 @ B&H)
Keyboard: Razer BlackWidow Chroma V2 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($181.41 @ Amazon)
PSU1: EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 G2, 80+ GOLD 1000W, Fully Modular ($159.00)
PSU2: EVGA SuperNOVA 850 G2, 80+ GOLD 850W, Fully Modular ($139.00)
GPU: EVGA 1080 Ti (SC / SC2 / FTW3)

I am not sure about the monitors which one I am going to be happiest about (1ms TN 165Hz) vs (4ms IPS 165Hz), If I bought another would the TN panel be annoying because I wont sit right in front of it?

About the PSU I have used http://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator to calculate the needed power and if/when I would buy another GPU I end up using just about 900W with some tweaks on the GPU overvoltage but I am not sure what it is?

Will all of this work together ?

Is the MB big enough to have 1080Ti as SLI ?

The EVGA CPU cooler is nothing special. The NZXT Kraken X62 is going to be better in almost every way. The BeQuiet Silent Loop 280 is also quieter than both while performing only slightly behind.

EVGA have released the G3 1000W and it is going to be an upgrade over the G2.

 

[Rickeyhb]

The EVGA CPU cooler is nothing special. The NZXT Kraken X62 is going to be better in almost every way. The BeQuiet Silent Loop 280 is also quieter than both while performing only slightly behind.

EVGA have released the G3 1000W and it is going to be an upgrade over the G2.

I saw a test with EVGA CLC, NZXT X62 and Corsair H115 v2 they all basically performed the same. I had previously planned to purchase H115, switched only because of the brand. Haven't looked at the BeQuiet(will do now)
Edit: this is the comparison http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2788-evga-clc-280-review-vs-nzxt-x62-corsair-h115i/page-3

What's improved on the G3 compared to the G2?

 

[AngryGoldfish]

I saw a test with EVGA CLC, NZXT X62 and Corsair H115 v2 they all basically performed the same. I had previously planned to purchase H115, switched only because of the brand. Haven't looked at the BeQuiet(will do now)
Edit: this is the comparison http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2788-evga-clc-280-review-vs-nzxt-x62-corsair-h115i/page-3

What's improved on the G3 compared to the G2?

Yeah, they all perform roughly the same, but there are consistent differences. The Kraken X62 consistently performs better. If you'd like the EVGA for other reasons that's totally cool as you like said there really isn't that much in it. I just thought I'd mention my opinion.

The G3 is supposed to be even more voltage stable. Again, there isn't that much in it, but it is a worthy revision by the looks of things and it makes sense to pick up the most recent version. If the G2 is significantly cheaper then again that's totally fine. It's still an excellent PSU.

 

[Rickeyhb]

Yeah, they all perform roughly the same, but there are consistent differences. The Kraken X62 consistently performs better. If you'd like the EVGA for other reasons that's totally cool as you like said there really isn't that much in it. I just thought I'd mention my opinion.

The G3 is supposed to be even more voltage stable. Again, there isn't that much in it, but it is a worthy revision by the looks of things and it makes sense to pick up the most recent version. If the G2 is significantly cheaper then again that's totally fine. It's still an excellent PSU.

Thanks for the tips, I'll take another look at the 280 aio's, and probably pick up the G3 instead it's almost at the same price.

But do you think that I should buy the 1000W and not the 850W?

 

[AngryGoldfish]

Thanks for the tips, I'll take another look at the 280 aio's, and probably pick up the G3 instead it's almost at the same price.

But do you think that I should buy the 1000W and not the 850W?

For a 1080Ti a 850W would be more ideal. If you ever wanted to SLI a flagship card, I'd recommend the 1000W. SLI 1080's is grand on a 850W PSU, but not 1080Ti SLI with overclocks. Well, no, it should work, but it won't be ideal.

 

[Rickeyhb]

Okay, thanks for the all the feedback.

I think I'll go with the 1000W just to be sure that I wont push it to the max if I go SLI.

 

[Warchild]

It is not just narrow angle on TN panel. IPS has much, and i mean seen from the plane, better colors. Once you went to IPS you don't return to TN.

What a load of croc

I upgrade my 144hz TN Gsync to a 100hz IPS widecreen. And I think I regret it. Extra real estate was nice, but the 100hz is only achieved by overclocking the refresh by means of scan lines which are visible. Plus the image quality between the two wasn't that much difference in a side by side comparison.

Colour range is nothing special albeit a "little" more vibrant but thats about it.

as for the build list. Looks pretty solid. Good luck building it. Im pretty sure you will enjoy that process. Always nice putting new toys together.

 

[Rickeyhb]

Yeah, can't wait really looking forward to starting soon