Mayhem Biocide Extreme 10ml + Silver kill coil

[grandpatzer]

I wonder if adding 2-3pc Mayhem silver kill coil + 2-4 drops of Mayhem Biocide Extreme 10ml is a good idea?
so to speak mixing silver + Biocide Extreme in loop.

My loop only has battery water (similar to destilled water).

 

[Surfie]

Ok, i'm just going to start out by saying that there would be no benefit in mixing biocidal agents like that. It won't do any harm, but essentially, you'd be wasting money... It's kind of like buying two mice for the one PC: they will both work, but sometimes they might interfere with each other trying to do their job.

Also, with Silver Kill Coils, you don't need more than 1 piece. You can insert more, if you wish (sometimes done for looks), but 1 is all you need!

Final point: if you go the kill coil route, you *might* want to add some anti-corrosive, because you would be introducing a mixture of metal into your loop, which can lead to corrosion over the long term (note: Galvanic corrosion is really bad, but that is not the type of corrosion I am talking about here).

Now, IF you run a copper or nickel plated loop (i.e. all your blocks and rads are copper or nickel plated (i.e. the same)), you will still get corrosion whenever you change the water. Adding silver to this type of loop will add a tiny amount of galvanic corrosion (due to dissimilar metals, but the weighting of silver is close to both nickel plating and copper, so it's almost negligible), and adding an item which will change the ionisation properties of your liquid, which CAN change its corrosion effects on your blocks as well. This can be counteracted by anti-corrosives - which in and of themselves are pretty toxic in nature.

Personally, having done a lot of reading about this, I would not bother with anti corrosives, because they often introduce more complexity into the liquid than they are worth. But then again, I am also taking great care to ensure that all my blocks are the same (all copper in my case), and as such I would NOT introduce another metal into my loop (i.e. I would use something like PT Nuke as a biocide), but that is after researching and taking time and care in my part selection.

I will edit in the link I have on corrosion shortly, so you can read up on it too!
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[grandpatzer]

Ok, i'm just going to start out by saying that there would be no benefit in mixing biocidal agents like that. It won't do any harm, but essentially, you'd be wasting money... It's kind of like buying two mice for the one PC: they will both work, but sometimes they might interfere with each other trying to do their job.

Also, with Silver Kill Coils, you don't need more than 1 piece. You can insert more, if you wish (sometimes done for looks), but 1 is all you need!

Final point: if you go the kill coil route, you *might* want to add some anti-corrosive, because you would be introducing a mixture of metal into your loop, which can lead to corrosion over the long term (note: Galvanic corrosion is really bad, but that is not the type of corrosion I am talking about here).

Now, IF you run a copper or nickel plated loop (i.e. all your blocks and rads are copper or nickel plated (i.e. the same)), you will still get corrosion whenever you change the water. Adding silver to this type of loop will add a tiny amount of galvanic corrosion (due to dissimilar metals, but the weighting of silver is close to both nickel plating and copper, so it's almost negligible), and adding an item which will change the ionisation properties of your liquid, which CAN change its corrosion effects on your blocks as well. This can be counteracted by anti-corrosives - which in and of themselves are pretty toxic in nature.

Personally, having done a lot of reading about this, I would not bother with anti corrosives, because they often introduce more complexity into the liquid than they are worth. But then again, I am also taking great care to ensure that all my blocks are the same (all copper in my case), and as such I would NOT introduce another metal into my loop (i.e. I would use something like PT Nuke as a biocide), but that is after researching and taking time and care in my part selection.

I will edit in the link I have on corrosion shortly, so you can read up on it too!
Link 1
Link 2

Thanks for the excellent post!

The reason why I consider buying more then one silver kill coil is bcs the product desription for mayhems silver coil states to use one kill coil for every 0.5liter, so in my case I have around 1.5-2liter water if I'm not mistaken in theory I would need 3-4kill coils.

youre comparison to 2mice is interesting, obviously 2mice gives the user no added benefit, so this seems to be the case with Silver coil + biocide additives?

I would have imagined that the silver + biocide would have been better.

 

[Surfie]

Thanks for the excellent post!

The reason why I consider buying more then one silver kill coil is bcs the product desription for mayhems silver coil states to use one kill coil for every 0.5liter, so in my case I have around 1.5-2liter water if I'm not mistaken in theory I would need 3-4kill coils.

youre comparison to 2mice is interesting, obviously 2mice gives the user no added benefit, so this seems to be the case with Silver coil + biocide additives?

I would have imagined that the silver + biocide would have been better.

Of course, the manufacturer information should be followed. My assertions were made based on general information only. The point remains though.

And your understanding is correct. A biocide kills microbes and stops them from forming mass colonies. Once they're dead, they aren't going to get any more dead.

If I were mixing metals (e.g. adding Silver to my loop), I would DEFINITELY use an anti corrosive. For mine, something like Primochills Liquid Utopia, or Swiftechs' HydrX - i.e. something which is both a biocide AND an anticorrosive is what I would go for, with Distilled Water. The idea here is to keep it as simple as possible, while ensuring that your needs are met.

Edit: I should probably point out that running the liquid the way I intend to, or the way that I outlined above technically may void some manufacturer warranties. This is because many manufacturers want you to use THEIR branded coolant. I have several issues with this, chief among them that, I have multiple vendors involved in my loop. I can't meet the requirement of using all their coolants at once. Well, not without mixing them, and no one knows what THAT would do. Point is: I've done my research and making my choice based on what is best FOR ME. I am aware that my warranties aren't worth squat with the way I'm doing things, and that is the educated risk I am choosing to take. I would urge others to look at the links I've provided above and make their choice as well based on what is best for them.