Educate me

[mrDMxtreme]

So if you cool a certain part with something that's less then ambient temp you can get condinsation right? So what if the ambient temps where sub-zero??? You couldn't use water as it'll freeze but with air cooling, like a D-14, what would happen if ur whole rig was outside in winter at -25 C ?

Or what if u have one of those big deep freezers in the basement and u toss the whole whole rig in there

haha

 

[AMDFTW]

you will get condensation if it goes below 0 i beleve

 

[TicTac]

Freezers are a big no no!

because for example, u put a item(of any description) into a freezer, it will not be cold strait away u will have to wait say 15 minutes before you can see any noticeable difference. well if you put something that makes heat into the freezer(PC) then its not gonna last long becuase the fridge cant keep up with the rising temp

not only will u have no pc you will also have no fridge/freezer becuase it will be always tring to cool down to its the set tempeture therefore meaning its gonna burn itself out...hoped that answerd that question however as for the other, if i had to guess...probably somthing bad

 

[Natashaful]

I used to use Vapour Chill on my QX6700, Somethings you need to know is you have to mask off and protect the mainboard because You WILL get frost forming, you can do this by getting none conductive lacquer mask the CPU socket off and expansion slots and spray the front and back of the board, Then you need to seal around the socket using none conductive sealent whih can handle -100C etc, In otherwords don't bother, Besides Watercooling is more then enough for any hardware on the market you'll hit the wall on the CPU before you hit the heat barrier for 24/7 overclock, And outside that well.. you go Dryice etc.

 

[rishisen]

doesnt regular air contain some amount of evaporated water unless it was sealed of ect and was pure oxygen/co2 /nitrogen ect. so thefore wouldnt you always get condesation.

comming from a total noob

i remember reading a while back some guy had funneled an ac unit into his rig

 

[Natashaful]

Thing is you get so much build up it's about 30-50mill of water around the CPU block you have to seal it if you're going todo this, And a Vapour Chiller is a Freezer compressor, My QX6700 was sat at -55C under full load @ 4Ghz lol

Lightning storm killed that PC.

 

[rishisen]

lightening storm wow thats worrying, everyone ok?

london harly ever gets any lightening

 

[Natashaful]

Yeah, The lightning didn't even hit my house it hit a house down the road and set their TV on fire but everything plugged into the phone line got killed also, My router was plugged into my QX6700 system, And it blew the Core off the top of the CPU because it was idling around -50C, But the insurence comapny didn't know what they was looking at when the system was sent in to be valued, So they asked me how much it cost and i gave a ruff fogure of about £5000 off the top of my head but the real cost was more around £3000, They paid me £5000 out, And after i found half the items still worked LoL

CPU, Video cards, PSu, Router, Hub, Screen, fuse in the Vapour chiller, That was all

We get lightning now and again here, But when the lighting hit like 3 doors down and everyone for 4-5 roads had no phones or power, And Wow the noise was like nothing i can explain to you

<-- sums it up

 

[rishisen]

wow that impressive, best delete the post aobut 5 grand though you know what insurance guys are like, anyway 5000 sounds like a massive amount of dosh, dont think i could ever to run a rig that totalled that much

 

[hmmblah]

wow that impressive, best delete the post aobut 5 grand though you know what insurance guys are like, anyway 5000 sounds like a massive amount of dosh, dont think i could ever to run a rig that totalled that much

You need to factor in labor too as part of the replacement. Her number probably isn't that far off for specialty labor. Your average PC shop wouldn't be doing vapochills. Insurance usually covers total replacement cost, not only hardware value.

 

[rishisen]

fair point, was this all under home insurance or do you guys get policies just for the rigs?

 

[Natashaful]

Hehe, I've moved since

Besides to be fair with all the painting and time modding to fit the vapour unit in i would prob not be to far off,If they pai for the labour, Plus the powercoating on the case which i got done for free from a friend, I don't spend quite that much anymore, I just have loads of watercooling kit knocking around thease days, I buy an extreme CPU then sell it before the price drops out of it's own arse LoL, Looking into my next project at the moment while my star wars build covers me till LGA2011

 

[cerbrus2]

you could use a deep freezer I suppose. but you would have to submerge the whole computer in mineral oil to keep the condensation off of it. And then stick some baloons over the Hdd's and seal with a cable tie.

 

[mrDMxtreme]

sorry for my absence from this thread, but thanks for the information and NO i wouldn't try this i was just curious

 

[Natashaful]

Not saying don't have ago, Saying make sure you read up about it, No one helped me when i was 14 and i had my first dryice session, I blew about 9 months of papper round money from killing my board and ram

It's a common thing thease days, Some companys even sell the mainboard sprays

 

[Lollipop]

Not saying don't have ago, Saying make sure you read up about it, No one helped me when i was 14 and i had my first dryice session, I blew about 9 months of papper round money from killing my board and ram

It's a common thing thease days, Some companys even sell the mainboard sprays

Wait you put your CPU under sub-zero when you were 14?!?!?

 

[Natashaful]

Wait you put your CPU under sub-zero when you were 14?!?!?

Yes.

 

[Scoob]

Hi

Fairly late to this topic, but here now lol.

Firstly: Sub-zero @ 14? Wow, I'm impressed! I'm somewhat older than 14, having been into PC's for ever, yet have only dabbled with water as my most extreme cooling solution. Ok, it was a pretty epic loop on a friends machine, but still.

Secondly: Am I right in saying that a lot of solutions using sub-zero cooling would cool the CPU block, but actually have a heating element on the underside of the motherboard to prevent condensation build up?

Finally: Sandy Bridge. I've read a couple of papers from Intel stating that sub-zero cooling isn't the best way to go for these newer chips. Something about they don't perform so well at such low temps. I think they likened to a CPU being a little unstable if too hot, the same being true when too cold. I guess this might in some way relate to the materials used.

Finally finally

: How practical is sub-zero cooling really for a home built system that'll likely be used for hours each day for gaming etc? Natashaful, did you live with that system every day for a while? I guess being dry-ice ou had to keep topping it up & it likely wasn't all nicely enclosed in a conventional case? I confess I know next to nothing about sub-zero cooling but find it fascinating.

Edit: Reckon I should start reading the guides eh?

Cheers,

Scoob.

 

[Natashaful]

Benchmarking only / messing around, It's not something you run 24/7 that didn't happen till i got my phase kit, But no one runs that crap anymore, Watercooling is the way forward

 

[Scoob]

Benchmarking only / messing around, It's not something you run 24/7 that didn't happen till i got my phase kit, But no one runs that crap anymore, Watercooling is the way forward

You mean you didn't have some peon to keep things topped up while you gamed?

I do find these more exotic cooling methods fascinating, however it's got to be water moving forward. Plus water loops can look so damn good! I've never actually done a water cooled build for myself, but that will change soon.

Scoob.