Dual 580 3gb or 7970

[Jeremy1998]

If Tom's reviews/videos/knowledge is anything to go by, a 780 already is on par with/better than a Titan at 780 prices

All titan really has going for it is VRam

Ant.:huh:

But AMD doesn't lock their ram specs... So a card manufacturer could make a 6gb card if they wanted, and then it really is a Titan competitor.

 

[Wraith]

Not a lot in it really you can see them both side by side here http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=637&card2=663#

 

[NeverBackDown]

^ that proves nothing? I don't understand the point you're trying to make? a 7970 is far faster than a 580. Sure 2 will be faster but then again later down the road he could just add another 7970.

 

[Jeremy1998]

^ that proves nothing? Nor does it help with next gen gpus? I don't understand the point you're trying to make?

I don't think he read the thread, and he doesn't realize I'm not even considering the 580's at this point.

 

[garih]

The system requirements for BF4 have been released/published, recommending 3GB GDDR.

https://twitter.com/Battlefield/status/377129313524387841/photo/1

hmm, it recommends a 7870, and it recommends 3gb vram, the 7870 only comes in 2gb... am i the only one who noticed??

sorry, off topic and not rly helping, just thought i would point this out

 

[NeverBackDown]

Anyway wait till Sept 25th for those new cards. Should bring overall performance/ money ratio.

Edit: BF4 will use the most memory it can on any system. Just like BF3(if frostbite 3 behaves like FB2 at least).

 

[Jeremy1998]

hmm, it recommends a 7870, and it recommends 3gb vram, the 7870 only comes in 2gb... am i the only one who noticed??

sorry, off topic and not rly helping, just thought i would point this out

The 660 they mention also only has 2gb by default... I really agree with previous posts that they are really hinting at you to buy an AMD card (they're partnered with AMD, after all).

Anyway wait till Sept 25th for those new cards. Should bring overall performance/ money ratio.

Edit: BF4 will use the most memory it can on any system. Just like BF3(if frostbite 3 behaves like FB2 at least).

Yeah, I'm gonna wait and see... Even if I go for the Nvidia cards, I know Nvidia will bring a price drop or some game deal if AMD really does bring the heat.

 

[SuB]

I know they've partnered with AMD now but I'm sure I saw mention of the usage of PhysX in BF4 at some point, has this been dropped now?

As a dual 580 3GB user btw, BF3 can and will use all your VRam

 

[Jeremy1998]

I know they've partnered with AMD now but I'm sure I saw mention of the usage of PhysX in BF4 at some point, has this been dropped now?

As a dual 580 3GB user btw, BF3 can and will use all your VRam

Well, I'm sure they included some PhysX... but they're still sponsored by AMD. And anyways, PhysX can be run on the CPU (although not as detailed).

As for using all the vram, do you mean it can use as much as you give it, or it just needs more than 3gb?

As for my build, I don't know if I made this clear before or not, but this is a workstation. My main goal is the best Adobe CC performance for the money, and gaming comes second to that... I will eventually have a separate system to play games on anyways. So I want good gaming performance on this pc, but it doesn't need to be GREAT. So I'm gonna wait for AMD Hawaii to come out, and then make my choice after that, since Nvidia should drop prices after that launch anyways.

 

[NeverBackDown]

If the Adobe software utilizes OpenCL then by far go for AMD. In openCL a 7970 outperforms a titan by somewhere around 30-40% if i recall correctly.

 

[Jeremy1998]

If the Adobe software utilizes OpenCL then by far go for AMD. In openCL a 7970 outperforms a titan by somewhere around 30-40% if i recall correctly.

Apparently the new Adobe CC supports AMD cards, and supports many new consumer grade cards, as well as utilizing multiple cards at the same time now.

So if AMD actually does get an advantage there, maybe I should hold out and see how AMD's upcoming stuff goes. If it's too expensive or not up to performance levels, then I can get a couple 7970's on clearance for even cheaper.

 

[NeverBackDown]

Did a quick search and it supports Cuda/OpenCl. OpenCL is becoming more common and honestly still outperforms Cuda. Cuda is dying off and OpenCL is supposed to be the new universal language for computing with an immense variety of hardware. Hell even Nvidia support it along with their prized Cuda

 

[SuB]

Which part of 'adobe cc' are you wanting to use? As it stands I believe it's mostly setup for Cuda

 

[Jeremy1998]

Which part of 'adobe cc' are you wanting to use? As it stands I believe it's mostly setup for Cuda

Well, I do a fair bit of Photoshop and Illustrator, but I don't really NEED acceleration in those. The apps I need the acceleration for is Premiere Pro, and After Effects.

 

[SuB]

I'll install em and see what they have settings wise and let you know.

Ps and Ai are Ram whores btw, so is Ae. I'd make sure you have 32GB + if you're serious with Ae

Editremiere is Cuda only

 

[Jeremy1998]

I'll install em and see what they have settings wise and let you know.

Ps and Ai are Ram whores btw, so is Ae. I'd make sure you have 32GB + if you're serious with Ae

Editremiere is Cuda only

Yupp, I'm fully aware of the ram whoring. I've got 32gb now, and I will probably find a way to make 64gb work.

But how can Premiere be Cuda only if Apple just made the new Mac Pro with dual firepro cards inside? They made it specifically for the Adobe suite because of the new support for multiple cards.

 

[SuB]

Don't know fella, but in the settings it says software, or Cuda (bare in mind, pc version is still different to the mac one)

 

[Jeremy1998]

Don't know fella, but in the settings it says software, or Cuda (bare in mind, pc version is still different to the mac one)

Oh, I think I get it. I remember reading somewhere that the new softwares support OpenCL, but Adobe forgot to enable it in those programs. So there's some file with the list of supported cards, and you either have to add your card to the list, or delete the list entirely.

I can't imagine it wouldn't work.... Adobe said this on their website:
"Premiere Pro CC introduces support for both CUDA and OpenCL GPU architectures on both the Mac and Windows platforms, which results in a dramatically enhanced list of certified GPUs, the full list of which follows this post.
...
The full list of officially certified GPUs for Premiere Pro CC is as follows:

Windows:
NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M (CUDA)
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 285 (CUDA)
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 470 (CUDA)
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 (CUDA)
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 (CUDA)
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 675MX (CUDA)
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 (CUDA)
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680MX (CUDA)
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 690 (CUDA)
NVIDIA Quadro CX (CUDA)
NVIDIA Quadro FX 3700M (CUDA)
NVIDIA Quadro FX 3800 (CUDA)
NVIDIA Quadro FX 3800M (CUDA)
NVIDIA Quadro FX 4800 (CUDA)
NVIDIA Quadro FX 5800 (CUDA)
NVIDIA Quadro 2000 (CUDA)
NVIDIA Quadro 2000D (CUDA)
NVIDIA Quadro 2000M (CUDA)
NVIDIA Quadro 3000M (CUDA)
NVIDIA Quadro 4000 (CUDA)
NVIDIA Quadro 4000M (CUDA)
NVIDIA Quadro 5000 (CUDA)
NVIDIA Quadro 5000M (CUDA)
NVIDIA Quadro 5010M (CUDA)
NVIDIA Quadro 6000 (CUDA)
NVIDIA Quadro K2000 (CUDA)
NVIDIA Quadro K2000M (CUDA)
NVIDIA Quadro K3000M (CUDA)
NVIDIA Quadro K4000 (CUDA)
NVIDIA Quadro K4000M (CUDA)
NVIDIA Quadro K5000 (CUDA)
NVIDIA Quadro K5000M (CUDA)
NVIDIA Tesla C2050 (CUDA)
NVIDIA Tesla C2070 (CUDA)
NVIDIA Tesla C2075 (CUDA)
NVIDIA Tesla M2050 (CUDA)
NVIDIA Tesla M2070 (CUDA)
NVIDIA Tesla K10 (CUDA)
NVIDIA Tesla K20 (CUDA)
ATI Radeon HD 6650M (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 6730M (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 6750 (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 6750M (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 6770 (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 6770M (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 6950 (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 6970 (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 7510M (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 7530M (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 7550M (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 7570 (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 7570M (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 7590M (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 7610M (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 7630M (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 7650M (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 7670 (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 7670M (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 7690M (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 7730M (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 7750 (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 7750M (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 7770 (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 7770M (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 7850 (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 7850M (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 7870 (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 7870M (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 7870 (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 7970M (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 7950 (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 7970 (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 7970 (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 8470 (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 8550M (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 8570 (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 8570M (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 8670 (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 8670M (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 8690M (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 8730M (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 8740 (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 8750M (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 8760 (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 8770M (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 8790M (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 8870 (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 8950 (OpenCL)
ATI Radeon HD 8970 (OpenCL)
ATI FirePro M2000 (OpenCL)
ATI FirePro V3900 (OpenCL)
ATI FirePro M4000 (OpenCL)
ATI FirePro V4900 (OpenCL)
ATI FirePro W5000 (OpenCL)
ATI FirePro V5900 (OpenCL)
ATI FirePro M5950 (OpenCL)
ATI FirePro M6000 (OpenCL)
ATI FirePro S7000 (OpenCL)
ATI FirePro W7000 (OpenCL)
ATI FirePro V7900 (OpenCL)
ATI FirePro W8000 (OpenCL)
ATI FirePro S9000 (OpenCL)
ATI FirePro W9000 (OpenCL)
ATI FirePro S10000 (OpenCL)"

 

[Jeremy1998]

Okay, so let's re-visit this now that the R9 290X has officially been announced. So they didn't announce a price, but I really bet on $600. So I assume Nvidia will cut their prices right around the time of the launch, so let's assume that both the R9 290X and the GTX780 will be $600.

Which one do I go for for my usage? Keep in mind that I said I mainly need it for Adobe work, and that gaming is a SECONDARY priority on this machine. However, I'm sure both of these cards will be crazy performance in those programs, so I'll focus on gaming. Which card (R9 290X or GTX 780) should perform better at 2560x1440p gaming? Will the 4gb of ram and wider bus give the R9 290X an advantage, or will potentially higher clocks and faster memory on the 780 give it the lead?

 

[NeverBackDown]

R9-290x is supposed to be 10% faster overall than a titan so a 780 would be slower(obviously). With a 512bit bus and 4gb ram, it is a clear winner for higher resolution gaming.