Been pondering on things

[S_I_N]

I have seen alot of y'all jumping up and down about the launch of the new AMD cards. And while I am impressed with the initial benchmarks I feel alot of y'all are going to be majorly disappointed when you drop 450+ on this new card to not see the same results. The majority of the reading i have done on them show the benchers using PCI-E Gen 3 which these cards support. I'm thinking the performance gains will not be as huge as most assume with current PCI-E 2.0 Just a thought and something I wanted to share with y'all prior to launch on the 9th. I may have missed out on benches using PCI-E 2.0 somewhere. But remember most of those benchers that set world records get cherry picked cards given to them for the sole purpose of setting those scores lol.

Anyway thought on the subject??

 

[cerbrus2]

I have seen alot of y'all jumping up and down about the launch of the new AMD cards. And while I am impressed with the initial benchmarks I feel alot of y'all are going to be majorly disappointed when you drop 450+ on this new card to not see the same results. The majority of the reading i have done on them show the benchers using PCI-E Gen 3 which these cards support. I'm thinking the performance gains will not be as huge as most assume with current PCI-E 2.0 Just a thought and something I wanted to share with y'all prior to launch on the 9th. I may have missed out on benches using PCI-E 2.0 somewhere. But remember most of those benchers that set world records get cherry picked cards given to them for the sole purpose of setting those scores lol.

Anyway thought on the subject??

Bit-tech did their review On a 2500K and a p67 board not even a z68, that is Gen 3. And its performance was amazing. So its performace can only be further increased when used on a Gen 3 bored with an ivy bridge CPU.

Not to mention most of the reveiws that have been done with the Gen 3 boards are still using Sandybridge CPU's that dont have support for gen 3 anyway. So Most of the reveiws we have seen are all ON PCIe 2.0 not 3.0.

 

[S_I_N]

Bit-tech did their review On a 2500K and a p67 board not even a z68, that is Gen 3. And its performance was amazing. So its performace can only be further increased when used on a Gen 3 bored with an ivy bridge CPU.

Not to mention most of the reveiws that have been done with the Gen 3 boards are still using Sandybridge CPU's that dont have support for gen 3 anyway. So Most of the reveiws we have seen are all ON PCIe 2.0 not 3.0.

cool but that may be the case for the reviews you have seen all the ones i have seen have been on like 3960's and the likes with X79 boards and I'm referring to those epic benchmarks I have no doubt its gonna be a sweet card just playing devil's advocate on what to expect or not to expect if running a tad older tech.

But they way not arguing with ya. Just saying it might not be all we expect is all. .

 

[SieB]

There is no performance difference between PCI-E 2 and PCI-E 3 as such but there is a updated BIOS for the 7970 that improves PCI-E 3 signals to the motherboard. But even if there is better performance to be had from PCI-E 3 thats a reason to move on from PCI-E 2 and personally I think it would be a good thing if PCI-E 3 did bring better performance, out with the old in with the new.

http://www.hardwarec...-review-21.html

http://hwbot.org/new..._radeon_hd_7970

I got this thread mixed up with another elsewhere and typed some info on the 7970 and overclocking, rather than delete it though i'll hide just in case there is anyone interested in reading about it.

Sorry S_I_N

Spoiler

And how dare AMD charge £450 for a single card with 3GB of RAM and is faster than a 580, right

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/3gb-...544mhz-512-cores-2x-dl-dvi-i-mini-hdmi-plusfr

Most of the extreme overclocks you are seeing the 1400mhz + ones are being done on LN2 but the overclocks up to 1350mhz are on air with a reference card with a reference cooler.

Overclocking the cards just using the AMD Catalyst Control Center you are limited to from 925mhz stock speed to a 1125mhz OC, but that's with out increasing the volts and power draw and temps are barley increased whilst performance is increased.

http://www.guru3d.co...verclock-guide/

Using volt mods they easily OC th 1226mhz this was done without using Afterburner because it wasn't ready for the 7970 yet

http://vr-zone.com/a...-air/14398.html

When Afterburner is sorted for the 7970 which it is now the same OC can be achieved and people have been getting 1300mhz+

All this is done on reference cards as well, when non ref versions and custom PCBs are made and better aftermarket coolers are put on them such as Twin FrozR, DCUII and Gigabyte Windforce etc the cards will run cooler and higher clocks may be achievable as well as watercooled versions as well.

Sapphire already has a 7970 with 1335 MHz as stock coming so that shows the potential these cards have.

All in all the 7970 is a beast of a card and being able to overclock so high is worth the money they are asking considering it is the fastest GPU and it's the same price if not slightly cheaper than a 3GB 580

 

 

[cerbrus2]

All in all the 7970 is a beast of a card and being able to overclock so high is worth the money they are asking considering it is the fastest GPU and it's the same price if not slightly cheaper than a 3GB 580

I think in simple terms thats what the OP was trying to get at. As his forum signature would suggest lavish fanboyism lol. So In simple terms his question or realy his statemeant was "Its only fast in benchmarks due to PCIE 3.0, Nvidia rock"

But alas all the benchmarks I have seen have been PCIE2.0 And they are still Massive Benchmark scores. So I cannot wait till monday afternoon. When I get home from work to fined my trusty wench has gone to Novatech and collected by New GPU lol.

I am also looking forward to nvidias latest offering as well. Im no fan boy of either card manufacturer they both have their bad and good points. I weant AMD this time arround due to the fact two 6870's in xfire offer far superior performance to any Nvidia costing as much if not more than my two cards did.

And the HD7970 Looks to be a massive performer, And in terms of pricing. Nvidia normally charge alot more for performance. So I will not bother waiting to see what Nvidia release. It maybe more powerfull, But I bet it is also more expensive

 

[SieB]

I think in simple terms thats what the OP was trying to get at. As his forum signature would suggest lavish fanboyism lol. So In simple terms his question or realy his statemeant was "Its only fast in benchmarks due to PCIE 3.0, Nvidia rock"

But alas all the benchmarks I have seen have been PCIE2.0 And they are still Massive Benchmark scores. So I cannot wait till monday afternoon. When I get home from work to fined my trusty wench has gone to Novatech and collected by New GPU lol.

I am also looking forward to nvidias latest offering as well. Im no fan boy of either card manufacturer they both have their bad and good points. I weant AMD this time arround due to the fact two 6870's in xfire offer far superior performance to any Nvidia costing as much if not more than my two cards did.

And the HD7970 Looks to be a massive performer, And in terms of pricing. Nvidia normally charge alot more for performance. So I will not bother waiting to see what Nvidia release. It maybe more powerfull, But I bet it is also more expensive

I think he made an edit to the OP because i'm sure when I first read it he also said something about the overclocks we were seeing were being done on LN2, either that or i'm getting this thread confused with another

Thats why I did the bit about the overclocking, sorry if you didn't say about the LN2 S_I_N

I forgot to add these links about PCI-E 3 as well

http://www.hardwarec...-review-21.html

http://hwbot.org/new..._radeon_hd_7970

But yeah, the 7970 is an awesome card but I am also looking forward to Nvidias offerings

 

[cerbrus2]

I think he made an edit to the OP because i'm sure when I first read it he also said something about the overclocks we were seeing were being done on LN2, either that or i'm getting this thread confused with another

Thats why I did the bit about the overclocking, sorry if you didn't say about the LN2 S_I_N

I forgot to add these links about PCI-E 3 as well

http://www.hardwarec...-review-21.html

http://hwbot.org/new..._radeon_hd_7970

But yeah, the 7970 is an awesome card but I am also looking forward to Nvidias offerings

I think the only time that the PCIE 3.0 will make any remarkable difference in terms of performance between pcie 3.0 and 2.0 will be in xfir configurations.

 

[SPS]

I'm just dying to see TTL's video

 

[SieB]

I think the only time that the PCIE 3.0 will make any remarkable difference in terms of performance between pcie 3.0 and 2.0 will be in xfir configurations.

Looks like it so far, there is nothing showing better performance with a single card anyway. Maybe overtime ways of using PCI-E 3 to gain better performance may be found but for now anyway there doesn't seem to be any.

 

[SmoulderingCircuits]

Soon as I heard mention of a price drop on the 7970 I have concluded it's going to have something fishy about it - after what happened with BD "Wow, same prices as Phenom II, must be amazing". But at £450 it must still be kicking out the frames to justify that pricetag

 

[S_I_N]

no I have done no edits to the OP I admittedly have not done a 100% research on everything thats why I asked for other thoughts. This is not a Nvidia fanboy post or a flame on AMD if you read my OP and SP I am just wondering and cautioning. I dont understand how 3.0 is being said to be of no great increase to its performance. IIRC 3.0 allows for greater bandwidth. Thereby in theory allowing for greater performance increase. Now i can see using a 2.0 card on a 3.0 board not increasing performance.

But as i said I was pondering this and I know alot more of y'all have done far more research on this matter tis why i made this thread to start with. I'm not in position atm to change cards but would like the 411 for later time when I aint so broke lol.

 

[SieB]

no I have done no edits to the OP I admittedly have not done a 100% research on everything thats why I asked for other thoughts. This is not a Nvidia fanboy post or a flame on AMD if you read my OP and SP I am just wondering and cautioning. I dont understand how 3.0 is being said to be of no great increase to its performance. IIRC 3.0 allows for greater bandwidth. Thereby in theory allowing for greater performance increase. Now i can see using a 2.0 card on a 3.0 board not increasing performance.

But as i said I was pondering this and I know alot more of y'all have done far more research on this matter tis why i made this thread to start with. I'm not in position atm to change cards but would like the 411 for later time when I aint so broke lol.

Sorry dude I must have gotten this thread confused with another I'll edit my post

 

[SmoulderingCircuits]

- Ignore -

 

[S_I_N]

its cool mate I take no offense to anything lol its always hard to judge context of a post as meaning can be read many ways lol I'm just curious to this new card line up and want info for if and when I may change. right now my 570 handles everything I throw at it with ease. So no real need to change but I am making changes to rig as I can to support more power in the future. lol (scored a sweet deal on an AX850)

right now my lil girls have me seeing red so trying to research is tuff.

Doh, went to thumb up (N) Blasted 5600dpi

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