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hey peeps,the last system a baught was a coustic setup and it had a 4 chan amp a pair of 6.5's and a 12'' sub but that was like 2 years ago and i have been out of the loop since then.

so i am in the market for a new system,hertz and rainbow seem to do the best packages,especialy rainbow but i just havent heard of them.JBL is always a good point but its the GTO stuff and the subs make bass instead of throwing it at you.

the rainbow package has:

Ipaul 4.300 amop

SLX 265-deluxe componants

diamond d312d2 12'' sub

MDF box (sealed)

4-gauge wiring kit

all for £449

so i would just need a head unit,now i aint herd of rainbow but i have heard of diamond subs and they seem solid,so its this or the ones i have attached

so yer let me no,if you have any suggestions my budget is £550 for evrything
 

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Rainbow are German. Audiophile gear, or at least it was. However, seems like they have done what all the others have - mass produced. They went out of business in the 90s and my mate got screwed. He sent back loads of mids to them (he was running a comp car with 6 6" mids in pods in each door) and they never sent him either repaired ones, new ones or even his ones. A-holes.

For a sub these are good. You want something with a good sens on it so you don't need masses of power.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CERWIN-VEGA-1...nment_GPS_Car_Speakers_PP&hash=item19bb8f6b2e

Stay away from JBL. Not very good IMO. Very hard sound, no warmth to it.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CERWIN-VEGA-2...ent_GPS_Car_Amplifiers_PP&hash=item27afc9a83d

Good amp.
 
i have heard of cerwin vega but i thought they were a basic make.

i have heard rainbow was a small company but they make good stuff,fourmasters use them so they cant be that bad,and the package looks nice.

yer dident realy wanna get JBL,i will check ebay tho is it good for parts?
 
Cerwin Vega were the IASCA champions for about twenty years. Infact, it was them who adapted their PA speakers into the car audio world and basically invented in car subwoofers.

Over recent years they are not as good. Basically they used to all be made in the USA until Stanton group took over in 2001. However, some of the ideas remain although the founders would turn in their graves if they realised Stanton group were making 'Inner tube speakers'.

They were also responsible for the world's most powerful subs and again, held many world records.

Ah yes, here we go. Here is what I used to use years ago.

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The slogan was bloody funny... "Imagine a nuclear blast without all that nasty melting flesh? Stroker series subwoofers"...
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1600w RMS. And when I say RMS I mean, RMS. They had a flash point of 7200w and that was only because the braid cables used to snap. The coil wire looked like solid 240v copper mains wire. I tried to cut an old coil in half with a pair of scissors and snapped the scissors
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If you wondered why it looks odd like that it's because it has a top spider and a bottom spider. The pole in the middle has a carrier plate and you could adjust it to adjust the frequency of the woofer. See, many people complained that 18 inch subs had no punchy accurate bass, so they addressed it and fixed the issue
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I do strongly reccomend their subs though. For the main reason that they offer ridiculous sensitivity 1w/1m meaning with very little power they will blow your head clean off. Ahhhh, here we go. Old shot of my system in London.

Left most pic, Cerwin Vega Stroker 18 in a trapezoidal folded horn (clone of the intense woofer, got blueprints from Cerwin Vega.

On the right my amp rack, consisting of a Soundmaster 4000VZ running 2ohm @ around 6000w. If you look closely you can see the baked bean can sized caps in the back lol. Also note the top amp? £3000 Rogers E40a Phono valve amp running the mids and highs. Bottom most picture shows a set of Crown Macrom 10" mids with compression horns and a set of Bose 6" mids (look at the cupboard flaps). What you can't see are the 4 other 6" mids in the ceiling.

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Loud? Well in the end I paid a £700 fine to the council. Thankfully they were forgiving and let me keep my gear but it never really got used after that. The complaint came from accross the street where this old house had those steel framed crittle windows and his glass used to rattle when I cranked it.

Ed. Here you go dude, the build out of my Tiburon (final one).

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Two sets of Clif design mid component sets. Cost? too much. 6" went into the stock mounts, 4" went here

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Heating ducts removed haha.

My last sub box. Again folded horn, birch ply

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Note this weird bit?

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Watch.

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Two amps and one of these.

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4f cap. It worked like this

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And the sub was mounted internally, working like this.

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Hence the term folded horn, it literally pressures up and fires bass, similar to a bandpass only more accurate.

Cooling was taken care of here.

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And the sort of final product, before I carpetted the top and bottom.

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Now the reason I said don't buy JBL is because I had a 1200w 10" in there and my Marc Anthony MKII managed to burn it out. Smoked the whole bleeding car out
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Mark Anthony was an amp made by Cerwin Vega. A bloody great beast. Many subs fell victim to this, inc RF, JBL, Lightning (division of RF) among others. In the end I put in a Cerwin Vega Vega 10.

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nice you seem to have dont alot of builds,do you ever attend EMMAUK or properdropers?

i have been told to go to my local four company and see what they can do,as i want a mixture of SQ and streetbass they have said hertz for comps and amps and ither image dynamics or fi for subs.

its odd cos there are so many makes i have not heard off like fi,dsl,DD etc its crazy how people got for what they no JBL,FLI for example.

£700-£800 i wann spend in total as i want it installed proper and abit of deadining so it sounds alot better.

but i will look into cerwin and see if my local can get a hold of some.

cheers dude,i will probly go sealed aswell as apparently it has better SQ so i assume it means a punch rather than a rumble,shame it cant be both lol

EDIT-what is there newest stuff? and were can i get it in the uk,if four cant
 
Yeah I have gone sealed on all of my last three builds dude. Subs these days are designed to go in tiny little boxes, punch hard AND make the hz without needing a huge ported box. The ONLY downside to sealed is they need stuffing to 'fool' the sub* and because of that the coil runs VERY hot with no cool air for ventilation. However with subs being five and ten a penny now? easily replacable. That Mark Anthony amp like all of my other gear (apart from the mids) was early 90s. The reason? simple, it's real made in USA stuff and not something thrown together in a rice hut like the modern cack you get now.

* Basically when you build a sealed box if you fill it with that white fluffy padding the airflow out of the back of the speaker is greatly slowed before it hits the box and bounces back. This causes a pressure increase that makes the sub work like it is in a far larger box. Basically the sound waves come out of the back of the speaker, slow, hit the box and then come forward again. Where as in a larger box they do the same thing in the same time
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This is why you don't EVER build cube shaped boxes as it can cause standing waves where the air pockets and the sub just flaps about. This is also why people started creating the tilted front boxes, as it throws off one edge practically eliminating standing waves
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I did some soundoffs in the early 90s dude. But in 97 when I met my wife I had to stop all of it because it's a stupidly expensive hobby. I mean, consider that one of those 18" Stroker subs was £899. Add to that a Hifonics amp pushing out about 3k and a MG Metro to put it all in (yes, project : ooo aaaah pressure car) and you're talking big bucks. Then batteries, alternators that have been rewound, caps.. Silly money.

Then in 99 I moved to America but again, was skint due to not having a work permit. I got my car in 2005 and went through three installs...

Those companies? never heard of them mate. Things are not the same any more man. This stuff is all available in Best Buy etc and any monkey can throw a system together. That's cool because it's a lot more affordable now but names like Soundstream ETC have all sold to mass producing corporations and quality has gone out of the window for quantity
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The only good thing about Cerwin Vega is that some of the original philosophies still stand. And they sound good.. VERY VERY good.

For subs I have ALWAYS gone American. Always. The term big is better IS better for subs. The bigger, more powerful and more substantial the better they are, and the yanks sure know how to do that. Sadly their idea of audiophile leaves a lot to be desired, but that's where Europe and the Japs come in
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cheers man,they are well known brands in the US and abit of euro.

i just dont like the look of the older stuff to much fins and off colers,but there are alot of people using soundstream and genasis amps who i think have both gone bust

CDT and AA both look good but F me there expensive your talking 250+ for some of CDT's comps and

i have been looking at planet audio tho they seem to still be built in the USA.

also you should check out EMMAUK and proper dropers,some real bad ass kit there
 
Soundstream changed hands many years ago. In the early to mid 2000s they were knocking out cheap rebranded CRAP mate. They did a in car DVD player for example for $45. I almost got it but it didn't have a TV tuner or remote, mine did. I had a 10" overhead in my car.. So glad I didn't get the model with a sunroof
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But yeah, mid 90s Soundstream were knocking out some of the best amps in the world. The pure class audio amps were to die for. Sadly like all of the others (even Phoenix Gold now) some greedy corporate dick head saw a quick buck and raped them. Most of those companies didn't survive being raped and some did.

But this is what I meant from before, when I said that all audio gear now is crap. It's all mass produced
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I tell you what is awesome though.. RE. I think that's what they're called.. RE, Image Dynamics are AMAZING but god, put a price on the IDMAX 12s lmao. They're about £500 each
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Morel do some amazing audiophile woofers, but again, bumrape.. Mind you if you want the best then I guess you have to pay for it..

As for mids and tweets? Dynaudio mate. Best on the planet barring absolutely none. They are hands down heads and shoulders above ANYTHING else.
 
yes i have been lookijng at re subs there is a guy selling one its the RE AUDIO 12" D4 sub and it has with it sealed 1.2 cuft box he wants £100

i keep going to it and thinkin hmmm

morel ultimos 12's even 2nd hand are like £350

dynaudio can swivel far to expensive,yes you get what you pay for like evrything i al willing to spend 7-800 but thats for evrything HU,install etc

alpine type R's seem to be used alot not sure why tho i am sure there are better.

so is planet audio gash then
 
Dude let me tell you.. RE are f*****g AMAZING.

I knew this yank dude who put two 8s (don't laugh) in his car and the rear wiper was jumping off the window
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For a ton you won't get better.. I absolutely assure you of that. And the quality too? just to die for. Lovely subs man.

BTW.. Planet Audio? you jarred my memory !!!

Ages ago before I bought all the Clif Designs stuff (equally as expensive as all the other companies I have named) some dude sent me a set of purple carbon planet mids for free. I never used them because they were 2ohm. Now this wouldn't have been a problem but remember, that small amp (with the clear perpsex end cap) was running the following -

270w Eclipse 6x9 rear stage

Tweeters in sun visors and upright pillars in front.

2x clif 6" mids

2x clif 4" mids.

I was already down to 1/2 ohm. If you want to know how hard that is? well put it this way. If I went over 2/3 vol on the head unit I would destroy the battery. I'm not joking, the amp draw would be so hard it would break the car battery. It didn't help that one of the poles in the cap was loose and I had to remove it, but yeah, less than 1ohm basically pulls so hard on your battery it will kill it..

I gave them to my mate Tom in the end, but IIRC they were cheap tacky things. They did look cool though !
 
yer man i have been looking at the sub for ages,and it is meant to be a good mixed sub for SQ and streetbass and thats what i am after,i am thinkin it would need a mono amp tho to make it pound as it should do.

four love there planet audio lol and they say its cos of the build quality,but i realy do like the hertz stuff,have you seen/heard the hertz panda? that thing is insane

but there are so many makes i have not heard of most of hem make subs,i am going to learn abit more and ask a few questions on talkaudio.
 
i have found out what i am after,its called SQL thats a mixture between SPL and SQ

and sub wise its gna be AA arsenal 12 and some hertz energy 6.5's componants,just need to pick a four channel amp then we are off
 
Hmm.. Well if you are going to use a 4 channel amp then you need a decent active dude. Most of the problem (especially with SQL) is getting the bass frequencies out of the midrange. And the only way to do that is to send seperated signals.

I used a Fusion line driver parametric with 8v pre outs. Nice part was it also had gains. If not? my mids and tweets would have gone pop long before the bass dropped.
 
well saying that with £800 as my budget i could go mono and a 2 chan,but i think one of them would be cheaper

AA subs are quite cheap and hertz componants are cheapish aswell
 
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