Yeah, Hydra needs to beat both SLI and CF configurations, and that doesn't really happen. I was very exited about this product for months, until I saw what it can('t) do. It's not worth the price premium. I'm still hoping for a magic driver to fix most things that are wrong with it, but as it stands now, I would rather get an X58 board then this.
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name='Sihastru' said:Yeah, Hydra needs to beat both SLI and CF configurations, and that doesn't really happen. I was very exited about this product for months, until I saw what it can('t) do. It's not worth the price premium. I'm still hoping for a magic driver to fix most things that are wrong with it, but as it stands now, I would rather get an X58 board then this.
It doesn't have to beat CF/SLi, it's performance simply has to match or atleast come close to CF/SLi and it would be worth it
I was hoping that it would compliment SLI/CF by adding worthwhile to scaling to more games, especially the ones where SLI/CF are a let down. Sadly it's way too expensive and the driver side is really letting it down, seems like LodicLogix were just too optimistic about how quickly they could get this ready for retail.name='killablade' said:It doesn't have to beat CF/SLi, it's performance simply has to match or atleast come close to CF/SLi and it would be worth it
I'd like to see proof that the latency is lower than NF200 as claimed, if they can show that, improve the drivers and price equal or lower than NF200 (it's $50 more expensive currently) then Hydra may be appealing again. I'd still want a mobo with CF + SLI + Hydra to be confident of purchase.
I'd still want a mobo with CF + SLI + Hydra to be confident of purchase
My thoughts exactly. SLI and Crossfire are probably always going to be one step ahead of Hydra for the simple fact that nVidia and AMD work with the game devs to make sure they have a workable GPU experience at game launch (if not optimized). Unless Hydra's driver team are in during game development then they're going to be playing perpetual catch-up.
At least if SLI can be enabled the user has the opportunity to use PhysX if desired, and how do you enable Eyefinity on Hydra ?
I imagine it won't work, Eyefinity doesn't work with CF yet and Hydra doesn't work with multi GPU on the same card (Hydra can only use 1 of the GPUs with 5970/GTX295)name='Hemicuda' said:how do you enable Eyefinity on Hydra ?
name='killablade' said:It doesn't have to beat CF/SLi, it's performance simply has to match or atleast come close to CF/SLi and it would be worth it
Well, it kinda needs to beat SLI/CF by a large margin, since Hydra comes at a very high price premium at this time. To the point where you could get two better cards for 2xSLI/2xCF or maybe go 3xSLI/3xCF for the same amount of money...
II'd still want a mobo with CF + SLI + Hydra to be confident of purchase.
Speak of the devil - MSI BigBang XPower has been announced with what may be an ideal spec: X58 + CF + SLI + SATA 6 Gb/s + USB 3.0name='Hemicuda'' said:My thoughts exactly.
I suspect the price will be stratospheric!
name='IanM' said:Speak of the devil - MSI BigBang XPower has been announced with what may be an ideal spec: X58 + CF + SLI + SATA 6 Gb/s + USB 3.0
I suspect the price will be stratospheric!
mmmmmm tantalum. (Odds-on Gigabyte bring out a mainboard with Copernicium next week)
So basically the next gen functionality of a P6X58D crossed with the slot layout of a Classified E769......but probably more expensive and less stable than the Asus, and less support and q.c. than EVGA
name='Hemicuda' said:but probably more expensive and less stable than the Asus, and less support and q.c. than EVGA
Which also begs the question that started this thread.
Now, a little more serious: that's an impressive array of technology on a single motherboard, it's probably the most bleeding edge design available, since EVERY new technology is available... The only thing missing is probably a pair of NF100 chips... lol
Now, I do have to wonder how in hell are they going to cram that insane amount of bandwidth-hogging chips... dedicated 8x link for the SATA6 and USB3 links pulled directly from the X58 chipset? It seems the only viable option, since ICH10R has nowhere near the bandwidth (or PCIe lanes, for that matter) to handle that much data being thrown around, not to mention it will still have to handle regular USB, NIC and PCIe duties...
Cheers.
Miguel
name='__Miguel_' said:.. The only thing missing is probably a pair of NF100 chips... lol.
I believe the board has a NF200 chip onboard, hence the 6pin PCIe socket just above the PCIe x1 sound card slot for the PCI lanes. This board seems to a an Eclipse Plus with SATA 6Gb and USB3 support, A board that's been conspicuously absent from store shelves and the limelight.
A little perplexed by the "4 way CrossfireX + PhysX card" advertising. Are MSI pushing Bullet, or are they planning an AMD/nVidia love-in. As you said in your previous post
...begs the question that started this thread
On the information so far shown I'd have to say MSI have a better chance of shooting themselves in the foot than an epileptic with a minigun.
Good spot, none of the news articles say if it's NF200 or Hydra. I guess NF200 is far more likely.name='Hemicuda' said:I believe the board has a NF200 chip onboard, hence the 6pin PCIe socket just above the PCIe x1 sound card slot for the PCI lanes.
name='Hemicuda' said:I believe the board has a NF200 chip onboard, hence the 6pin PCIe socket just above the PCIe x1 sound card slot for the PCI lanes.
Right, NF200. Just to show how much "off" I am when it comes to NVIDIA... :$
What drives me a little nuts it's the INSANE power draw of the thing... Motherboards with dedicated Molex connectors are bad enough, and this one ups the ante a notch by needing a dedicated 6-pin PCIe connector... One would think 24+4 pins would be enough, right? This one has 34 just to handle power INPUT!
name='Hemicuda' said:A little perplexed by the "4 way CrossfireX + PhysX card" advertising. Are MSI pushing Bullet, or are they planning an AMD/nVidia love-in.
Unless NVIDIA is backing down on the whole "no PhysX when an ATI card is in the system" thing they have going on (why can't they just say the feature is unsuported in big bold letters every time the driver gets updated and be done with it?), the only way that's going to happen is if NVIDIA specifically codes for this motherboard OR if MSI starts hacking drivers, since right now Hydra doesn't do PhysX (and will probably never do, because of the aforementioned NVIDIA restriction)... Either way, it sucks.
name='Hemicuda' said:I'd have to say MSI have a better chance of shooting themselves in the foot than an epileptic with a minigun.
X2 for the general point, and a huge LOL for the image.
Cheers.
Miguel
