Why are people so ancy over the 970?

[jaspervandervalk]

Ok so I understand that people are feeling hard done by the whole Nvidia skimping a bit on the 970 thing and being annoyed by the fact that 3.5GB of the memory of the card is running optimally and 0.5GB isn't.

However, only since this news has come out have I seen posts or heard people complain about the performance of the 970, previous to this people praised the 970 hugely for being a very powerful card in the price bracket it was in and I even regretted getting my 980 for a while because I felt the 970 was so much better value for the performance you got.

The scores the cards post for their raw power has not changed since this drama came to light and so I am left wondering why does this bug people so so much and why the absolute blind hate towards Nvidia? It is pretty obvious that when you buy a single 970 you are going to struggle to run demanding games in 4K regardless...

Anyway if I have missed the point completely then please do inform me and if Nvidia have broken laws by doing what they are doing and you can prove that to me then again please correct me.

Regards,

Jasper.

P.S. at the end of the day be thankful you don't own an XBOX one, I heard those things can't even run in 1080p LOL.

 

[steverebo]

They have breached a number of EU trading laws and international trading laws.

the rules are clear, any product sold must be as described and any deviation from this is illegal.

nvidia advertised and sold a card based on specs of 64 ROP's and a memory bandwidth of 224GPS when in fact the card only has 52 ROPS and an effective bandwidth of 198gps.

 

[barnsley]

The issue is no company should sell products with a false claim. People also want a card that is future proof and doesn't tank frame rate/stutter when its resources start to get used up.

People would be even more Ansy if it was AMD....

 

[SieB]

People also want a card that is future proof and doesn't tank frame rate/stutter when its resources start to get used up.

The thing is it doesn't, last week before all this was known there were no issues as far as anyone was concerned. But all of a sudden there seems to be even though nothing has changed... apart from now knowing there is a difference in specs and a separate 500mb section of Vram.

 

[barnsley]

The thing is it doesn't, last week before all this was known there were no issues as far as anyone was concerned. But all of a sudden there seems to be even though nothing has changed... apart from now knowing the difference in specs and the separate 500mb section of Vram.

It only went big last week. Its been a weird issue that's been thrown around since people started getting the 970.
I think I even posted about it in small talk a while back.

 

[SieB]

It only went big last week. Its been a weird issue that's been thrown around since people started getting the 970.
I think I even posted about it in small talk a while back.

I've never heard of anyone having probs, only since this news broke. Not saying there hasn't been but I personally have not seen anything about it.
The games people are saying they are having stuttering problems with are the same games people are having stuttering problems with AMD and other Nvidia cards.

I haven't experienced any stuttering problems myself apart from ACU and that is one game people with all kinds of cards are getting stuttering with.

So far I have tested Watch Dogs and FC4 using well over 3.5GB with no problems at all.
I'm re-downloading Skyrim and Dragon Age Inquisiton at the moment and will test those just to make sure.

 

[Warchild]

Its the Placebo effect. People are complaining about the issue after they read about the witch hunt against Nvidia.

Nvidia have broken laws about specs but that has nothing to do with the performance, since the performance has not changed one iota since the reviews proclaimed it to be an outstanding card.

I tested it in dying light and SoM and didnt see an issue cranking it up to the best of its ability.

Sadly I returned the card to my colleague/friend now.

 

[stampedeadam]

I can see why people who thought the card would be a current or future good SLI candidate now feel cheated. They haven't got what they paid for. Come to think of it, a lot of people buy based on specs and they must have thought they were getting an outrageous bargain given how close the specs originally were to the 980.

When the fuss dies down, a lot of people will be able to snap up B grade 970s for a song. Still a great card.

EDIT: just seen this. Funny!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spZJrsssPA0

 

[jaspervandervalk]

The thing is it doesn't, last week before all this was known there were no issues as far as anyone was concerned. But all of a sudden there seems to be even though nothing has changed... apart from now knowing there is a difference in specs and a separate 500mb section of Vram.

this is basically what I mean, I don't really understand, all of a sudden people have an issue with performance and before it was all praise!

Jasper

 

[Kaapstad]

People also want a card that is future proof and doesn't tank frame rate/stutter when its resources start to get used up.

This is true but people also don't want to pay for such a card(s).

If you mention that you own Titan(s) on these forums people will try and riddle you because of the cost but 2 years after they were launched mine are still going strong. I also think that mine are good for another 2 years before I have to retire them.

When the Maxwell Titan launches how many people will moan about the price and how many people will actually buy them as a long term investment. There will be a lot of the former and not many of the latter.

 

[Dicehunter]

This is true but people also don't want to pay for such a card(s).

If you mention that you own Titan(s) on these forums people will try and riddle you because of the cost but 2 years after they were launched mine are still going strong. I also think that mine are good for another 2 years before I have to retire them.

When the Maxwell Titan launches how many people will moan about the price and how many people will actually buy them as a long term investment. There will be a lot of the former and not many of the latter.

There's a reason not many people barring monetary issues won't buy the next Titans or even the previous/current Titans.

I myself think they are awesome sauce cards and had the pleasure of playing on a 3 way Titan Black setup only a few days ago but a lot of people look at those who buy them as anoraks and to be honest most of the people I know personally who have bought them are anoraks.

Owning Titan type high end cards is up there with owning macs, It's anorak/neck beard/hipster territory ^_^

 

[Doomslayer]

There's a reason not many people barring monetary issues won't buy the next Titans or even the previous/current Titans.

I myself think they are awesome sauce cards and had the pleasure of playing on a 3 way Titan Black setup only a few days ago but a lot of people look at those who buy them as anoraks and to be honest most of the people I know personally who have bought them are anoraks.

Owning Titan type high end cards is up there with owning macs, It's anorak/neck beard territory ^_^

I didn't understand some of those words you put in there Dice :lol:

 

[Kaapstad]

There's a reason not many people barring monetary issues won't buy the next Titans or even the previous/current Titans.

I myself think they are awesome sauce cards and had the pleasure of playing on a 3 way Titan Black setup only a few days ago but a lot of people look at those who buy them as anoraks and to be honest most of the people I know personally who have bought them are anoraks.

Owning Titan type high end cards is up there with owning macs, It's anorak/neck beard/hipster territory ^_^

I am definitely not an anorak type lol.

If people do buy Titans they need to remember the cards are tools and not there for epeen.

People who buy titans for epeen tend to get just one, this is totally useless as you can not get the card to do what it is good at. To get the best out of the cards you need several for high resolution gaming.

Edit Macs are definitely not high end and graphically a good quad GPU setup will annihilate them.

 

[Dicehunter]

Edit Macs are definitely not high end and graphically

I know but they carry with them the same anorak status ^_^

I didn't understand some of those words you put in there Dice :lol:

Picture guide for you


Anorak

Hipster

Neckbeard

 

[Doomslayer]

Picture guide for you


Anorak

Hipster

Neckbeard

I knew what Hipster & Neckbeard is i just wasn't sure what Anorak was :lol:

 

[UkGouki]

no issues at all on mine i got the kfa black infinity 970 and it runs like a beast hell stock test scored over 12500 p on 3d mark i was well impressed.

all 4gb ram shows on my card too is it just a reference thing?? i need to read more about it i think..

 

[Dicehunter]

no issues at all on mine i got the kfa black infinity 970 and it runs like a beast hell stock test scored over 12500 p on 3d mark i was well impressed.

all 4gb ram shows on my card too is it just a reference thing?? i need to read more about it i think..

All 970's have 4GB, It's just that all 970's 4GB is split up into a 3.50GB section that runs at it's full speed and a 512MB section that runs at roughly 1/6th the speed unlike the 980 which is 1 x 4GB section full speed.

 

[SieB]

512MB section that runs at roughly 1/6th the speed

That isn't true, people got this from running a benchmark that accesses the 500mb section on its own which causes bandwith to drop.

The 500mb section isn't designed to be accessed on its own and is meant to be used alongside the 3.5gb section.

Quote from a PcPer article

All gaming systems today already have multiple pools of graphics memory – what exists on the GPU and what the system memory has to offer via the PCI Express bus. With the GTX 970 and its 3.5GB/0.5GB division, the OS now has three pools of memory to access and to utilize. Yes, the 0.5GB of memory in the second pool on the GTX 970 cards is slower than the 3.5GB of memory but it is at least 4x as fast as the memory speed available through PCI Express and system memory. The goal for NVIDIA then is that the operating system would utilize the 3.5GB of memory capacity first, then access the 0.5GB and then finally move to the system memory if necessary.

 

[steverebo]

Amazon 970's under review

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00...ds=gtx+970&dpPl=1&dpID=512Mg5Jru7L&ref=plSrch

 

[Master&Puppet]

Yes they advertised them incorrectly in places. Performance is unaffected. Will I still be upgrading to SLI 970s? Hell yes.