US Cop beats 15 year old girl in cell
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Rastalovich
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Done it b4 and I'll damn well do it again. I'm quite prepared to argue on any side.
Rastalovich
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It doesn't help that the thread doesn't stay non-personal.
It strikes me that being keen on reading up on such things, the whole incident happened last ... november ?? I think it was. And it's not until AP release an edited video that any1 cares anything about it.
It strikes me that being keen on reading up on such things, the whole incident happened last ... november ?? I think it was. And it's not until AP release an edited video that any1 cares anything about it.
Ok Rasta, fair point on the personal stuff, and I apologise. I just find it extremely difficult to understand how anyone can even remotely try to consider justifying the officer's actions, even if that person later claims that they were just playing devils advocate. I do however think that you are being very unfair to parents, and sometimes a kid will go bad regardless of how and what their parents do. I honestly think that you know this too, but enjoy trying to put the cat amongst the pigeons. You cannot simply blame the parents for every bad person out there. I believe that some people are just born rebels, the same as some are born killers. I also believe that there are some kids who can genuinely blame their upbringing, but that excuse is wearing thin, as most convicts will try to blame anyone but themselves. Attitudes like yours are just feeding their fantasies.
You also seem to be quick to write kids off who have made mistakes in their early years. Plenty of lads who I used to knock around with were rogues when we were kids and some of them have grown up to be well rounded and sensible adults with good jobs and futures ahead of them. I am one of them! That's why I dislike your whole attitude to youth crime and I take it personally.
As for not caring back in November, the first I heard of this case is from this thread. I would have been just as disgusted had I found out then too.
You also seem to be quick to write kids off who have made mistakes in their early years. Plenty of lads who I used to knock around with were rogues when we were kids and some of them have grown up to be well rounded and sensible adults with good jobs and futures ahead of them. I am one of them! That's why I dislike your whole attitude to youth crime and I take it personally.
As for not caring back in November, the first I heard of this case is from this thread. I would have been just as disgusted had I found out then too.
Rastalovich
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Makita/Mikela?? Calhoun has been is a young offenders institution ever since the incident. Not even sure she's still 15.
Believe the parents, or atleast father, was on CBS over the weekend (getting paid). The father didn't know how bad the beating was until it was shown, quite interesting.
The footage doesn't show either the b4 or after, but either way the cop is quite a piece of work tbh. Been just on administered suspension for the last so many months.
The girl was originally charged with both assault and theft of a vehicle. The theft is being pursued, although I think the owner (the parent) has to uphold charges for this to go ahead, being a civil matter in most cases. Although if u do something whilst in the car, it could be the state charging.
Either way, I think the state will do a deal for charges on both sides. The media release of the video will hamper any pursuit for an unbiased conviction.
Believe the parents, or atleast father, was on CBS over the weekend (getting paid). The father didn't know how bad the beating was until it was shown, quite interesting.
The footage doesn't show either the b4 or after, but either way the cop is quite a piece of work tbh. Been just on administered suspension for the last so many months.
The girl was originally charged with both assault and theft of a vehicle. The theft is being pursued, although I think the owner (the parent) has to uphold charges for this to go ahead, being a civil matter in most cases. Although if u do something whilst in the car, it could be the state charging.
Either way, I think the state will do a deal for charges on both sides. The media release of the video will hamper any pursuit for an unbiased conviction.
VonBlade
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name='Rastalovich' said:
Fair enough. Apology accepted.
I assume you haven't got children (not read the whole thread). Because if you have you'd know where I was coming from. I'm protective of my family anyway, but children bring out a special kind of protection that borders on genuine "whatever it takes" insanity.
Anyway, I'll let you and Stuart get back to debating the situation.
Rastalovich
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... just to interrupt the discussion with a side question:
Would u equally wig out if ur daughter had been beaten after being apprehended stealing ur car AND had run down a young mother pushing a pram with 2 babies in it ?
(bearing in mind, just to separate urself from the incident, that having seen just the video on this thread, no full background to the story had been looked into)
Would u equally wig out if ur daughter had been beaten after being apprehended stealing ur car AND had run down a young mother pushing a pram with 2 babies in it ?
(bearing in mind, just to separate urself from the incident, that having seen just the video on this thread, no full background to the story had been looked into)
Yes I would, I don't allow anyone to hit my kids. If there was to be a hiding dished out, then it would come from me or my wife!
Maybe the tape was withheld from him. I honestly can't see the police wanting him to see it and handing it over. Regards getting paid for the interview, money is irrelevant in my opinion. So what if he got paid for the interview. It doesn't make what he had to say any less relevant. In fairness though, I would have told them to stick their money up their arses.
Agreed that he is a POS in the first order! As to what happened before and after, there can be no excuse for what he did. He should have known better as a law officer, so there are no excuses.
I hope not, the girl deserves to be punished for her crime if she is guilty, as does the officer for his. I think the whole deal bargaining in the US is something which should be abolished. I understand the reason they do it, but criminals (of all ages) are getting too easy a deal for going guilty on lesser charges.
name='Rastalovich' said:
Maybe the tape was withheld from him. I honestly can't see the police wanting him to see it and handing it over. Regards getting paid for the interview, money is irrelevant in my opinion. So what if he got paid for the interview. It doesn't make what he had to say any less relevant. In fairness though, I would have told them to stick their money up their arses.
name='Rastalovich' said:
Agreed that he is a POS in the first order! As to what happened before and after, there can be no excuse for what he did. He should have known better as a law officer, so there are no excuses.
name='Rastalovich' said:
I hope not, the girl deserves to be punished for her crime if she is guilty, as does the officer for his. I think the whole deal bargaining in the US is something which should be abolished. I understand the reason they do it, but criminals (of all ages) are getting too easy a deal for going guilty on lesser charges.
Rastalovich
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name='stuartpb' said:Maybe the tape was withheld from him. I honestly can't see the police wanting him to see it and handing it over. Regards getting paid for the interview, money is irrelevant in my opinion. So what if he got paid for the interview. It doesn't make what he had to say any less relevant. In fairness though, I would have told them to stick their money up their arses.
Agreed that he is a POS in the first order! As to what happened before and after, there can be no excuse for what he did. He should have known better as a law officer, so there are no excuses.
Some... 6 years ago or-so, he gunned down 2 hoodlums, one of which died. Don't know the full story behind that, but there was something not fully justified about it.
That's another thing - do u go on Good Morning with Anne & Nick, who do pay fair money tbh, whilst ur most likely partially holding up a charge against ur daughter, even tho it's over her being beaten ? Do u sell it to TheSun ?
If he has a chequered history, then he should definitely face a full and fair trial. I agree that the tape has made his defense 100% harder, but it would be presented as evidence anyway so he would still have the same problem. Video evidence is the closest thing we have to establishing 100% guilt so the opinions expressed by those who have seen it would only be mirrored by any jury. So I think the trial would still be fair.
Regards selling out to the press, no I wouldn't take money off anyone for a story like this. But I can understand why some people may, especially if the cheque was big enough and the person in question would never get another chance to see that kind of money.
Regards selling out to the press, no I wouldn't take money off anyone for a story like this. But I can understand why some people may, especially if the cheque was big enough and the person in question would never get another chance to see that kind of money.
Rastalovich
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As far as law, atleast us-law, is concerned. If something is widespread enough in the "news" that everyone and their dog had a chance to see it, it can be said that there is no way a jury can put it's feelings aside - exclusive of the facts as they're given.
Bearing in mind that as a juror, the fact that u seen some1 beat some1 on a video - if that video is NOT submitted as evidence within the court proceedings, ur decision can-not be seen to be influence by it.
Remember that just as videos of people doing things captured on.. police speeding cameras can be dismissed if the device isn't sufficiently calibrated. Similar things to do with something like the wrong date being entered in a log for surveillance videos, or the only video being available is an edited one, can have the video footage itself being omitted by a judge.
They'd have to find something like 18 jurors that have no internet access, don't watch CBS, don't... and so on. It can be done. There were similar proceedings trying to find Michael Jackson jurors mainly cos of the coverage prior.
Bearing in mind that as a juror, the fact that u seen some1 beat some1 on a video - if that video is NOT submitted as evidence within the court proceedings, ur decision can-not be seen to be influence by it.
Remember that just as videos of people doing things captured on.. police speeding cameras can be dismissed if the device isn't sufficiently calibrated. Similar things to do with something like the wrong date being entered in a log for surveillance videos, or the only video being available is an edited one, can have the video footage itself being omitted by a judge.
They'd have to find something like 18 jurors that have no internet access, don't watch CBS, don't... and so on. It can be done. There were similar proceedings trying to find Michael Jackson jurors mainly cos of the coverage prior.
OmegaStalker
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Rasta please never have kids as i would fear for them for the rest of my life...
So what you're 3 year old daugther drops the plant pot spills the mud on the carpet and you decide to put her in hospital so she doesn't steal a car when older? Guess what the worlds greatest parents sometimes have kids who play out doesn't mean anything...
Granted if while on this girls joy ride she killed someone then she needs to be brought to justice but that doesn't mean this... If you ran someone over and killed them would you consider it fair for the family to punish you? the police beating the **** out of you? Or perhaps would you consider the option of leaving it in the often imprefect but neccessary hands of the Law... This girl commited a crime and should be punished fairly... I think you would agree with me if it was you're daughter you wouldn't have liked a police officer physically abusing her in that way?, or would you say "No officer thats not how you beat my 15 year old daughter here let me help you?"... When Police get away with things like this they move on to things like raping the girls in cells would you consider that fair too?
So what you're 3 year old daugther drops the plant pot spills the mud on the carpet and you decide to put her in hospital so she doesn't steal a car when older? Guess what the worlds greatest parents sometimes have kids who play out doesn't mean anything...
Granted if while on this girls joy ride she killed someone then she needs to be brought to justice but that doesn't mean this... If you ran someone over and killed them would you consider it fair for the family to punish you? the police beating the **** out of you? Or perhaps would you consider the option of leaving it in the often imprefect but neccessary hands of the Law... This girl commited a crime and should be punished fairly... I think you would agree with me if it was you're daughter you wouldn't have liked a police officer physically abusing her in that way?, or would you say "No officer thats not how you beat my 15 year old daughter here let me help you?"... When Police get away with things like this they move on to things like raping the girls in cells would you consider that fair too?
Brooksie
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This thread is basiclly 6 pages of Rast and Stuart having a heated discussion 
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tbh, he overreacted a bit, the thing that gets me is he goes like that to stop her assulting him even more, shes 15 and in cuffs? even if she did put up a fight theres no way on winning, at a police station. why didn't he just shut the door and go punch some punching bags or something. he def has anger issues me thinks.
.tbh, he overreacted a bit, the thing that gets me is he goes like that to stop her assulting him even more, shes 15 and in cuffs? even if she did put up a fight theres no way on winning, at a police station. why didn't he just shut the door and go punch some punching bags or something. he def has anger issues me thinks.
Rastalovich
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name='OmegaStalker' said:
It's good to get a basic gist of the level of genuine inteligence of members.
name='Brooksie' said:This thread is basiclly 6 pages of Rast and Stuart having a heated discussion
tbh, he overreacted a bit, the thing that gets me is he goes like that to stop her assulting him even more, shes 15 and in cuffs? even if she did put up a fight theres no way on winning, at a police station. why didn't he just shut the door and go punch some punching bags or something. he def has anger issues me thinks.
Pepper spray is good stuff.
OmegaStalker
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name='Rastalovich' said:
Lmao if you say so Rasta... What ever makes you sleep at night...
Rastalovich
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name='OmegaStalker' said:Lmao if you say so Rasta... What ever makes you sleep at night...
Confirmation
me0w its all going on here
anyway
Iv seen violent and abusive chavs attacking the police and getting away with lighter handling (never mind the free playstation, bikes etc. they get once/if they go inside)
Thats the kind of heavy handedness id expect if someone was assaulting someone else.
anyway
Iv seen violent and abusive chavs attacking the police and getting away with lighter handling (never mind the free playstation, bikes etc. they get once/if they go inside)
Thats the kind of heavy handedness id expect if someone was assaulting someone else.
