Strange error.

[AlienALX]

So since getting my power saving rig finished (and now my daily beater, due to low power consumption) I've slowly been moving games and apps over and seeing how they run on it. Obviously the CPU is quite slow (being 2ghz) but everything so far seems to be perfectly smooth.

So last night I installed Mirror's Edge Catalyst and noticed that it was stuttering a little bit. Not a lot, just at the beginning/end of cut scenes and the beginning/end of levels. I figured it was because of the CPU. I started out with it on average graphics but quickly increased it to ultra. Oddly it seemed to run better and the stutters were gone when I enabled ultra. So I started out playing and then I heard Windows make a notification sound and the game froze. So I figured I may have ran out of VRAM but when I went back to Windows it said something along the lines of -

"The video adapter was physically removed from the system". Eh? This was a DX error btw. So I downloaded the web installer for DX but it said everything was up to date. I did notice some of the textures of the cut scene people were flickering a little before that.

I suspected the Fury X may had gone bad but the day before I played Dead Island for hours and hours. So I Googled the issue and people were having it with BF4 apparently. So this may be a DICE Frost Bite issue? any one else ever had this error?

I loaded the game back up and played it for about another hour with no issues and no glitches.

 

[Excalabur50]

Try reinstalling the gpu driver with ddu and see if that stops it
Oh and with EA/Frostbite not much would surprise me

 

[AlienALX]

I played on last night for about two hours, no more glitches or issues. Very odd.

Then I tried to play Borderlands and the game wasn't even working properly. I couldn't snipe and the right mouse button did nothing.

Odd. All very odd.

 

[AlienALX]

More issues, though I suspect it may be Afterburner?

Yesterday afternoon a friend and I decided to play some more Dead Island Definitive. I could tell immediately that it was running badly. I'm not very well at the moment so figured I may be being hyper sensitive, then I realised my Fury X was running at 300mhz, the lowest clock it can run at. Now this was absolutely fine before :S

Checked ULPS or whatever it's called and it was disabled.

Rebooted, full 1050 clock :S

Any ideas? I figured that this may have been what was happening in Borderlands.

 

[SuB]

I have noticed lately that some games don't seem to fully 'disengage' 3D mode or reset the GPU back into desktop mode when exiting, and will often leave the Windows 10 UI a bit broken. I.e. click on the start menu and it's got nothing in it, the hidden icons popup also having nothing in it (but still being the size it should be) and the notifications window being the same, just a transparent frame but can't see any text.

Is that something you experience at all as well Alien?

 

[Wraith]

I have noticed lately that some games don't seem to fully 'disengage' 3D mode or reset the GPU back into desktop mode when exiting, and will often leave the Windows 10 UI a bit broken. I.e. click on the start menu and it's got nothing in it, the hidden icons popup also having nothing in it (but still being the size it should be) and the notifications window being the same, just a transparent frame but can't see any text.

Is that something you experience at all as well Alien?

Phew! Not just me that's noticed that then.

 

[AlienALX]

I have noticed lately that some games don't seem to fully 'disengage' 3D mode or reset the GPU back into desktop mode when exiting, and will often leave the Windows 10 UI a bit broken. I.e. click on the start menu and it's got nothing in it, the hidden icons popup also having nothing in it (but still being the size it should be) and the notifications window being the same, just a transparent frame but can't see any text.

Is that something you experience at all as well Alien?

I think so yes. I don't really do much with Windows ATM so probably wouldn't notice anything too obvious but it seems OK. Definitely acting weird though.

I drove Borderlands up to 4k using VSR and it went all weird. Couldn't zoom/snipe as right button wasn't doing anything and it was juddery as hell. Should be mince for the Fury X tbh but it was acting weird.

 

[SuB]

I have to do a logout cycle or a full reboot to clear those graphics issues, and I definitely notice it makes games not work properly. It's not specific to any one game, but I have noticed it occurs more in stuff that's windowed full screen as opposed to proper full-screen.

Tbh I'm surprised it's still a thing this long after W10 release I thought it was specific to me, but if others are seeing it.. that's disapointing

 

[AlienALX]

Yeah when it does that it's basically a cold boot..

OK so played some more Borderlands 4k VSR. It works well, but if you alt tab out and back it takes a while to build up the FPS so it's not jerky. However, Borderlands has no Vsync which should be a crime. Of course, when I use either of the other rigs (Titan XM or 950) I can use Adaptive Vsync globally which takes care of any game or app.

So I basically now have two choices.

1. Connect the DP input to the Fury X and get Freesync @ 70hz.
2. Leave the DP on the Titan XM and get 70hz Adaptive Vsync.

If I go with option 1 I get Freesync for the Fury X. However, I lose 70hz on the Titan XM which is actually rather nice. I would have to drop down to 60hz over HDMI.

Another thing I have noticed is because there is no Vsync whatsoever in Borderlands the GPU usage is totally crumby. We're talking 30-50% with rotten sodding tearing going on left right and center.

Decisions decisions. If only monitors had more than one DP :S

 

[SuB]

Yeah when it does that it's basically a cold boot..

OK so played some more Borderlands 4k VSR. It works well, but if you alt tab out and back it takes a while to build up the FPS so it's not jerky. However, Borderlands has no Vsync which should be a crime. Of course, when I use either of the other rigs (Titan XM or 950) I can use Adaptive Vsync globally which takes care of any game or app.

So I basically now have two choices.

1. Connect the DP input to the Fury X and get Freesync @ 70hz.
2. Leave the DP on the Titan XM and get 70hz Adaptive Vsync.

If I go with option 1 I get Freesync for the Fury X. However, I lose 70hz on the Titan XM which is actually rather nice. I would have to drop down to 60hz over HDMI.

Another thing I have noticed is because there is no Vsync whatsoever in Borderlands the GPU usage is totally crumby. We're talking 30-50% with rotten sodding tearing going on left right and center.

Decisions decisions. If only monitors had more than one DP :S

Can't you globally force-override V-Sync in the display driver settings?

 

[AlienALX]

Can't you globally force-override V-Sync in the display driver settings?

With the AMD? I don't think so. I know with Nvidia cards they have Adaptive V-sync which to this very day I can not distinguish from G-sync and it's marvelous, but I don't think AMD do.

Ohh I see what you mean, make it so that V-sync is always on via the control panel? I don't think it works with Borderlands

The only way to make it global is to go Freesync.

I think we will be finished all of the DLC with Borderlands soon. Then we are moving onto BL2, which does have V-sync.

 

[Warchild]

With the AMD? I don't think so. I know with Nvidia cards they have Adaptive V-sync which to this very day I can not distinguish from G-sync and it's marvelous, but I don't think AMD do.

Ohh I see what you mean, make it so that V-sync is always on via the control panel? I don't think it works with Borderlands

The only way to make it global is to go Freesync.

I think we will be finished all of the DLC with Borderlands soon. Then we are moving onto BL2, which does have V-sync.

If you use the pendulum demo you can see a difference. But considering the cost of G-sync proprietary software vs adaptive V sync you do wonder where Nvidia get the cost from. Theres a noticeable difference but its not "huge" like some make it out to be.

As for your issues, I get the same. but oddly enough switching from fullscreen mode to windowed and back, and everything is working smooth again. That is with Nvidia GPU. Have you tried same with your setup?

 

[AlienALX]

Yeah every time I do that with the Fury it drags its ass for a minute or so. I would imagine it's more down to the CPU speed and terrible RW speeds of the drives I have the games on.

Not too worried about that because I am going to be getting a new PCIE SSD after Xmas and running it on a X4 PCIE adapter. One of these.

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/512...d-3d-tlc-nand-read-1775mb-s-write-560mb-s-128

On an adapter. Then I will move the RAIDR into the slow rig which will stop any HD bottlenecks.

At some point I will pick up a 2670 for it too but for right now I just like how it uses hardly any power at all and is virtually silent. My Titan XM rig runs on AIOs meaning it's quite a bit noisier. I figured out that I mostly spend my days reading and not having the noise in my ear has been rather nice.

I will likely just switch the cables around and enable Freesync tbh. As time moves on my Titan XM is less of a high FPS card @ 1440p and I am pretty sure this modern run of slush 70 FPS at 1440p would be a pipe dream any way.

 

[SuB]

I thought adaptive v-sync was just there to stop the card going from 60fps to 30fps when it couldn't handle 60? Then cap the framerate to 60 when it goes above that so as to save on power/voltage/speed etc... ? (and helps with things like coil whine in lower end games because the card isn't screaming at full tilt). It's definitely not the same tech as G-Sync as the monitor refresh doesn't coincide with the frame draw.

 

[AlienALX]

I thought adaptive v-sync was just there to stop the card going from 60fps to 30fps when it couldn't handle 60? Then cap the framerate to 60 when it goes above that so as to save on power/voltage/speed etc... ? (and helps with things like coil whine in lower end games because the card isn't screaming at full tilt). It's definitely not the same tech as G-Sync as the monitor refresh doesn't coincide with the frame draw.

I don't know how Adaptive works tbh. Nvidia are very quiet about it.

However I do know it works, and IMO there is no difference between it and G-sync when it comes to what I get from using either. I actually take it for granted, but without it things would suck.

According to Nvidia - Adaptive VSync dynamically turns VSync on and off to maintain a more stable framerate.

Isn't that pretty much exactly what they claim G-sync does? Turns on when you are running mental frames (between a certain amount) and then disables itself when things become choppy and you need FPS?

All I know is I went to the Nvidia control panel, enabled it globally and since then my gaming has been butter smooth with no tearing even in games that don't have V-sync (that's how I know it works). In order for it to work I need to disable V-sync in game.

I have ran the pendulum but I couldn't see any difference with Adaptive and G-sync *shrugs*.