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AlienALX said:
Well I know full well that Nvidia send out review guides for their GPUs. I've seen them.

That's why they all run the same games etc, and are usually missing anything that favours AMD (not that there's an awful lot of that, mind) but yeah, it's definitely a case of "Do what we say, not what you want".
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AMD also sends their own "reviewers guides", it is standard practice to ensure that developers show the strong points of products. From there it is up to reviewers to cover everything else from there.

The point is that you use all the tests that all companies want to see used, plus a few tests of your own, then you have a fairly balanced review that covers the strong points and weak points of a product.

You would be surprised how much of a PC novice a lot of reviewers are, some need the guide to make a half decent review. Most don't even know how changes to CPU voltages other than V-Core affect overclocking and system longevity.

To put is simply, "reviewers guides" are not the evil thing that clickbait sites and reddit would want you to believe.
 
AngryGoldfish said:
This is normal practise, though. I see reviewers being requested to review the product or service a particular way so that the public is clear on where they stand. The problems arise when the competitiveness and involvement becomes abusive or unfair. There is a fine line that many of the major media representatives (Tech Radar comes to mind) clearly pass. As to it being definitively provable is another thing. And that's an important distinction, IMO. Because I can't categorically prove that Tech Radar are not to be trusted within reason I shouldn't go around spreading vitriol or unproven murmurs.
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yes they do it, but what has me curious is that intel want people (if true) to follow intel guidelines when testing a rival CPU.

Nvidia send out guidlines yes, but that is how to test their own cards and make it shine more.
 
WYP said:
You would be surprised how much of a PC novice a lot of reviewers are, some need the guide to make a half decent review. Most don't even know how changes to CPU voltages other than V-Core affect overclocking and system longevity.
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Oh believe me I would. I've seen plenty of feckless morons manhandling hardware over the past few months.

Jayz blew up a FX chip a few weeks ago.

These are the guys who are supposed to be showing us how to do it, lmao.

Let's face it it's nothing to do with hardware knowledge and all about fame, personality and presentation.

The Intel rep we had at our place was a good looking young chap who wore a suit and reeked of Joop. He had absolutely no idea how to build a PC. In fact, he asked us to build one for him when he quit.
 
At first I used to get a kick out of Linus and Jay making a hames of something, but eventually it became annoying.

"I drilled this board so you don't have to."

Well, thanks for that. I really needed to know whether drilling a board was a good thing to do.

I always watch Jay and respect his abilities, but he's not my favourite and by no means my 'go-to'.
 
AngryGoldfish said:
At first I used to get a kick out of Linus and Jay making a hames of something, but eventually it became annoying.

"I drilled this board so you don't have to."

Well, thanks for that. I really needed to know whether drilling a board was a good thing to do.

I always watch Jay and respect his abilities, but he's not my favourite and by no means my 'go-to'.
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I also watch Jay but only because I like his format and find him entertaining unlike Linus who now bores me.
I look to TTL for the informative stuff as feel he has no bias and is honest, or thats how I perceive him anyhoo
 
3DMark Time Spy results of the 1080 Ti have been seen, Slightly faster than a Titan XP when both are around stock clocks, No 1080 Ti OC scores yet though -

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/1303084/spy/1307626/spy/1310153/spy/1301697/spy/1219203

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Damn, that thing is beastly. Nvidia are absolutely killing it with these GPU's. While the technology is somewhat uninspiring and price is concerning, the performance is definitely welcome.
 
WYP said:
Vega is going to have to the Super Saiyan of AMD GPUs to do well compared to this, though with all these new/larger cooler designs I wonder how hot the 1080Ti will be.
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This.

While I do think that what we saw at CES was Vega 10 being 10% faster than a 1080 in a game that favours AMD and that such performance was not its final form, there is no way in my mind that Vega 10 can match that kind of raw performance. Maybe you'll see a game that really heavily favours AMD showing a non-reference overclocked Vega 10 scratching at the heals of a stock reference 1080ti, but it won't have the raw core performance.

That's my prediction. Obviously it's speculative, but we do have the somewhat tepid showing at CES and past generations to back it up. Vega 10 in my eyes is aimed at beating the 1080. The 1080ti and Titan XP are just too far away.

I really wish AMD didn't say "Poor Volta" in that promotional video. I think that was a stupid mistake.
 
AngryGoldfish said:
This.

While I do think that what we saw at CES was Vega 10 being 10% faster than a 1080 in a game that favours AMD and that such performance was not its final form, there is no way in my mind that Vega 10 can match that kind of raw performance. Maybe you'll see a game that really heavily favours AMD showing a non-reference overclocked Vega 10 scratching at the heals of a stock reference 1080ti, but it won't have the raw core performance.

That's my prediction. Obviously it's speculative, but we do have the somewhat tepid showing at CES and past generations to back it up. Vega 10 in my eyes is aimed at beating the 1080. The 1080ti and Titan XP are just too far away.

I really wish AMD didn't say "Poor Volta" in that promotional video. I think that was a stupid mistake.
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TBH AMD should have seen the 1080Ti coming for ages, the Titan X Pascal has been out for a long time.

The new architecture has a lot of HUGE changes which will greatly increase performance in certain tasks, it is very much a matter of how much these changes will affect modern and future games.

Lots of the new features are in many ways catching up with Nvidia, with AMD now creating a tile-based rasterizer when Nvidia has had one since maxwell first launched.

Only time will tell how this will all go, though if the Radeon Technology Group has shown us anything it is that they can work fast. The group is not even 2 years old now and AMD's GPU division has already transformed in terms of driver support.
 
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