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[NickOmega]

Also Neil Fingleton. UK's tallest man and Game of Thrones actor:
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/game-thrones-actor-neil-fingleton-dies-36-211400051.html

Heart failure aged 36

 

[Warchild]

Intel trying to manipulate AMD Ryzen reviews. Apparently they want reviewers to follow an "intel review guideline" when reviewing AMD cpus. Also the email had the content "Call us before you write"

Source

Courtesy of Guru3D, I wonder if TTL has received a similar email from Intel.

 

[Greenback]

Intel trying to manipulate AMD Ryzen reviews. Apparently they want reviewers to follow an "intel review guideline" when reviewing AMD cpus. Also the email had the content "Call us before you write"

Source

Courtesy of Guru3D, I wonder if TTL has received a similar email from Intel.

Well if it's true, if a site you visit has totally different results to most other sites, you know to remove it from your favourites list. as it's untrustworthy

 

[RobM]

Intel trying to manipulate AMD Ryzen reviews. Apparently they want reviewers to follow an "intel review guideline" when reviewing AMD cpus. Also the email had the content "Call us before you write"

Source

Courtesy of Guru3D, I wonder if TTL has received a similar email from Intel.

Seems Intel will never learn and will probably end up in the courts again for their illegal and unfair practices.

 

[Dark NighT]

Could write entire essays but i will just say, if true, intel you are disgusting.

 

[WYP]

Intel trying to manipulate AMD Ryzen reviews. Apparently they want reviewers to follow an "intel review guideline" when reviewing AMD cpus. Also the email had the content "Call us before you write"

Source

Courtesy of Guru3D, I wonder if TTL has received a similar email from Intel.

I have been hearing rumblings of this over the weekend, as well as rumours the company wants to offer "price incentives" to only use Intel server chips over naples/Zen chips.

 

[Warchild]

Seems Intel will never learn and will probably end up in the courts again for their illegal and unfair practices.

wccftech also confirmed they were approached with the same email but stated it's business as usual from their side.

I do wonder what the legality is behind this kinda of practise. An email itself cannot prove anything but if Intel are manipulating reviews/websites and results, well AMD have a case on their hands.

 

[Greenback]

wccftech also confirmed they were approached with the same email but stated it's business as usual from their side.

I do wonder what the legality is behind this kinda of practise. An email itself cannot prove anything but if Intel are manipulating reviews/websites and results, well AMD have a case on their hands.

I would think that it's what comes if you phone them b4 you write the review and they offer a incentive to change said review

 

[WYP]

wccftech also confirmed they were approached with the same email but stated it's business as usual from their side.

I do wonder what the legality is behind this kinda of practise. An email itself cannot prove anything but if Intel are manipulating reviews/websites and results, well AMD have a case on their hands.

wccftech would say anything for clicks though, hard to believe what they say there.

SemiAccurate is a lot more believable, but it is hard to trust Wccftech as a whole.

They have a lot of good writers, like Keith May, but they are a website that is mostly a rumour mill.

 

[AlienALX]

Said all of this before, a thousand times. Nobody ever listens to me.

Funny how as soon as some dude with a website says it every one starts believing it.

*sigh* as if a guy telling you he used to manage and run a shop who was told by Intel that if he wanted their P4 he was not allowed to stock AMD CPUs at all wasn't good enough.

 

[tinytomlogan]

Said all of this before, a thousand times. Nobody ever listens to me.

Funny how as soon as some dude with a website says it every one starts believing it.

*sigh* as if a guy telling you he used to manage and run a shop who was told by Intel that if he wanted their P4 he was not allowed to stock AMD CPUs at all wasn't good enough.

Its not tbf.


As for the email thing it just sounds like clickbait. All manu's try and find out what youre testing and how youre testing it. There will be stuff that both camps are worse in, its normal.

 

[AlienALX]

Its not tbf.


As for the email thing it just sounds like clickbait. All manu's try and find out what youre testing and how youre testing it. There will be stuff that both camps are worse in, its normal.

Even though Intel were taken to court for it (on more than one occasion) and lost, and had to pay AMD fines. All of which is public information.

 

[tinytomlogan]

Even though Intel were taken to court for it (on more than one occasion) and lost, and had to pay AMD fines. All of which is public information.

Old news mate. Youre just going over old ground and its got FA to do with this.

Ive not had an email but I would assume its "what are you testing with, make sure you dont miss this out"

Green red and blue do it every time.

The fact it was in an 'email' is the reason I dont believe it tbh.

 

[Doomslayer]

Its not tbf.


As for the email thing it just sounds like clickbait. All manu's try and find out what youre testing and how youre testing it. There will be stuff that both camps are worse in, its normal.

I agree 100%

It's all fair in business.

AMD would be doing the same thing if they were in the same position as Intel if people try and say "Oh AMD would never do this" well i'm sorry you have rocks in your head.

 

[WYP]

Its not tbf.


As for the email thing it just sounds like clickbait. All manu's try and find out what youre testing and how youre testing it. There will be stuff that both camps are worse in, its normal.

It makes sense, Intel making sure that reviewers are not "skipping" certain tests at the request of AMD.

It would be like a Nvidia reviews skipping all DX12 games. Obviously, AMD would request that some DX12 titles are tested for both an honest, well-rounded, review and to showcase their products in a good light.

on the other side of the coin, it would make sense for Nvidia to request that the review isn't DX12 exclusive, includes power consumption data and uses a wide range of titles.

All to showcase products in a well-rounded manner and to not skip important details. At least that is how I see it.

Intel sending emails about Ryzen isn't in itself a bad thing, it is all about the contents. If it is a request to use a certain test it isn't necessarily a bad thing, it only turns bat if they want data manipulation and for reviewers to not use benchmarks that showcase Ryzen's strength is where problems will arise.

Even though Intel were taken to court for it (on more than one occasion) and lost, and had to pay AMD fines. All of which is public information.

Requesting for reviewers to do certain tests is fine, it is when they request that reviewers don't do certain tests is where problems arise.

Intel's anti-competitive practices were with retailers and system builders, not reviewers.

 

[AlienALX]

Old news mate. Youre just going over old ground and its got FA to do with this.

Ive not had an email but I would assume its "what are you testing with, make sure you dont miss this out"

Green red and blue do it every time.

The fact it was in an 'email' is the reason I dont believe it tbh.

Yeah probably bogus.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

Just because TTL didn't receive this kind of email doesn't mean it isn't happening to other media sites. Conversely even if it's true just because one or two sites did receive this kind of email doesn't mean it is happening to others.

 

[AlienALX]

Just because TTL didn't receive this kind of email doesn't mean it isn't happening to other media sites. Conversely even if it's true just because one or two sites did receive this kind of email doesn't mean it is happening to others.

Well I know full well that Nvidia send out review guides for their GPUs. I've seen them.

That's why they all run the same games etc, and are usually missing anything that favours AMD (not that there's an awful lot of that, mind) but yeah, it's definitely a case of "Do what we say, not what you want".

 

[Warchild]

Its not tbf.


As for the email thing it just sounds like clickbait. All manu's try and find out what youre testing and how youre testing it. There will be stuff that both camps are worse in, its normal.

Thats probably why wccftech (reputable or not it doesnt matter) stated that it was business as usual for them, nothing out of the ordinary.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

Well I know full well that Nvidia send out review guides for their GPUs. I've seen them.

That's why they all run the same games etc, and are usually missing anything that favours AMD (not that there's an awful lot of that, mind) but yeah, it's definitely a case of "Do what we say, not what you want".

This is normal practise, though. I see reviewers being requested to review the product or service a particular way so that the public is clear on where they stand. The problems arise when the competitiveness and involvement becomes abusive or unfair. There is a fine line that many of the major media representatives (Tech Radar comes to mind) clearly pass. As to it being definitively provable is another thing. And that's an important distinction, IMO. Because I can't categorically prove that Tech Radar are not to be trusted within reason I shouldn't go around spreading vitriol or unproven murmurs.