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Back then, overclocking was awesome. Nowadays, undervolting is awesome. It's reversed.

I know its not the place to discuss here. But you could not be any more right. OC is just not the challenge for most now, its undervolting and taming these out of control power hungry cards.

Dice and I have been discussing the very same thing, whereas before we would talk about highest stable clocks etc.
 
Maybe AMD wanted to guarantee maximum performance with minimal inhouse tuning or silicon selection. In the same way they (and Nvidia) have released cards drawing far more voltage than needed for production and distribution simplicity as well as guaranteeing optimal FPS for 'teh chartz', maybe AMD kept it simple and left the tweaking up to users.

You remember how it was with Maxwell—they were overclocking kings. Nvidia could easily have cranked the clocks themselves like they're doing today with Lovelace, but they allowed users to do it because they knew they'd have the top spot in gaming no matter what clock speeds they used. GTX 980's were able to overclock from 1200Mhz all the way up to 1600Mhz with minimal fuss. Back then, overclocking was awesome. Nowadays, undervolting is awesome. It's reversed.

You make very valid points that I can't say isn't more than likely the truth.

I also would have to say you are totally spot on with modern "overclocking". It's not the same. It's just find whatever clock you want to maintain, undervolt, test, repeat.

Used to have to do much more.
 
Prices lower than I expected.

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People just won't pay it tbh. And shouldn't, either.

But yeah, looks like the prices are identical to the 12 series, so that is where they should be.

If that's true and it does go that way then the 13700KF will be the best buy this round.

TBH? the whole "Buy it or F off" Covid thing is over now. They need to start competing for sales again, or people just won't buy it.
 
If you have Amazon Prime there are 2 new games to claim along with some small indie titles -

-Total War:Warhammer 2 - Epic account

-Fallout 76:The Pit - Microsoft account

https://gaming.amazon.com/home

Make sure your Twitch account, Which is part of your Amazon Prime account, Is properly linked to your Epic account for Total War:Warhammer II to show up in the Epic games launcher.
 
If you have Amazon Prime there are 2 new games to claim along with some small indie titles -

-Total War:Warhammer 2 - Epic account

-Fallout 76:The Pit - Microsoft account

https://gaming.amazon.com/home

Make sure your Twitch account, Which is part of your Amazon Prime account, Is properly linked to your Epic account for Total War:Warhammer II to show up in the Epic games launcher.

I would like to jump in here and make an important note on Dice comment.

Check your country supports Amazon prime. If it doesnt then you cannot link Prime gaming to your account. Just because you are subbed to Amazon prime in your country, doesnt mean its supported.

If your country doesnt support prime, but does support Prime video. Cancel prime and sub to prime video instead. THEN you can link prime gaming to your account.
 
Farcy 6 GOTY edition for £100......
A game that didn't win anything

Ah Ubisoft, I was right to boycott you after the whole Watchdogs mess, looks like you are even more slimey than I thought
 
With Nvidia's latest driver lifting perf up by around 25% in certain titles I think this is apt to point out.

According to a post from early this year Turing and Ampere silicon have a little bit of dedicated on-die hardware called the GSP or GPU System Processor, That can mitigate a lot of CPU overhead.

Originally Nvidia was only enabling this for their Turing and Ampere enterprise level cards but a few people are theorising that this driver finally enables it on non enterprise hardware which accounts for the 5-25% perf uplift.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-gpu-system-processor-introduction
 
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