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AlienALX said:
Yeah, so true guys. It's like you dare make a suggestion against the many and you get cut down. I remember complaining about how Crossfire was jerky and all I was met with was brick walls such as "well it works fine for me, must be your setup" and ETC. I carried that grudge for about three years before PCPER outed AMD and the game was up.

But yeah, you ask some one about Crossfire before that day? they would all tell you that you were doing something wrong. It's truly amazing. Even when the info did come out at first people were just totally in denial. Once it sunk in? that is the method used to measure every game's performance metrics.

Now if you tell some one that frame times don't matter? they'd behead you. Such hypocrisy ffs.
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I think that might be more an issue with the communities you asked, PCper's dives into frame timings only came in 2013 iirc, but microstutter & issues with AFR (SLI/CFX) have been well documented for around a decade at this point, you can find many articles from 2008 clearly analysing & demonstrating those issues for multi-GPU setups, and they were known as a limitation of the technology from its inception, which is why alternatives were attempted first (Split screen rendering and the like).
 
NeverBackDown said:
Well all DRM does is a check test on boot then it does nothing after that. It would be impossible for it to affect performance. It does not run during while in game.
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Dicehunter said:
The plethora of tests out there would disagree with you bud.
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I think we need to separate DRM from Anti-tamper. Denuvo in itself if not DRM, it just protects the other forms of DRM (like Steamworks) to prevent it from being bypassed.

Some DRM is a one time check, or, in cases like Denuvo's anti-tamper tech, can call in every once in a while. Like many things, DRM can be implemented in a number of ways.

Now, this topic either needs a dedicated thread or needs to end. This is quick news after all.
 
NeverBackDown said:
Pretty sure SPS said it runs at boot then nothing at all. Considering he is an actual software developer who works on games his opinion is far more valuable than any crap a random online user would say who did "testing"
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With respect, I'm sure many of us here have developed commercial software, and I'm sure many of us here have had to use protection systems at the request of contractors/employers, but appeals to authority don't really work when none of us know what qualifications or experience whoever did the testing has either.

Denuvo, at least pre-v4, certainly did do a check on boot to ensure the ID of your hardware matched the ID of your software, but the pure digital rights management checking element is only a small part of Denuvo and the anti-tamper system is the key portion that differentiates it from other pure-DRM systems.

Going from quotes of the people who've actually cracked Denuvo, its anti-tamper system includes large amounts of obfuscation, including using the very traditional method of executable compression, which has always had, and still does have, an inherent performance penalty.
 
tgrech said:
I think that might be more an issue with the communities you asked, PCper's dives into frame timings only came in 2013 iirc, but microstutter & issues with AFR (SLI/CFX) have been well documented for around a decade at this point, you can find many articles from 2008 clearly analysing & demonstrating those issues for multi-GPU setups, and they were known as a limitation of the technology from its inception, which is why alternatives were attempted first (Split screen rendering and the like).
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People just don't want to hear it though, fella. It's almost like they don't have eyes and ears of their own ffs.

I remember once a time where I worked for a loudspeaker company. They were designing a new set of speakers, and asked us builders to go have a listen. It was the sort of job you did because you loved it, and nothing in between. Any way, about ten people go in and say "Oh they sound amazing !" etc. I go in? jesus. My ears are about as critical as my eyes tbh. I tore the whole sound profile apart. I even got a bit carried away (as I do). I was expecting them to fire me, but they said I was the only person who went in that room that day that heard what I did and told the truth :D

They told me (secretly) that they were miles from being a final version and they were testing the whole placebo effect to see who had the critical listening skills to pick things out.

It's like if some one posts a photo of a PC right. Some people would take one quick look, their eyes would tell their brain "yeah that looks awesome" and then I look at it and start studying every nut, bolt and drop of paint.

It's just how my brain works, it's incredibly sensitive to things like that. Like, I can't even sit in the back seat of a car because the flickering light between the trees makes me chuck. I'm talking hyper sensitive...

So Crossfire for me was nothing but misery.
 
As I have said above. This is quick news. Either spin this Denuvo discussion into its own thread or let the topic die. Quick news is not the place for long-form discussions.
 
Ah sorry man my apologies. I just see new posts on the right side of the forum and jump to them.

Guilty as charged :)
 
tgrech said:
With respect, I'm sure many of us here have developed commercial software, and I'm sure many of us here have had to use protection systems at the request of contractors/employers, but appeals to authority don't really work when none of us know what qualifications or experience whoever did the testing has either.

Denuvo, at least pre-v4, certainly did do a check on boot to ensure the ID of your hardware matched the ID of your software, but the pure digital rights management checking element is only a small part of Denuvo and the anti-tamper system is the key portion that differentiates it from other pure-DRM systems.

Going from quotes of the people who've actually cracked Denuvo, its anti-tamper system includes large amounts of obfuscation, including using the very traditional method of executable compression, which has always had, and still does have, an inherent performance penalty.
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In other actual news, The whole Dishonored bundle i.e D1 + D2 + all DLC, Is now £21 on Steam, Seriously immense bargain !!!

https://store.steampowered.com/app/205100/Dishonored/


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Dicehunter said:
Ray tracing MAY be coming to the next gen console in a very simple manner.

The Gran Turismo developer, Polyphony, Announced that they have created their own in house ray tracing tech which will be used for reflections on cars.

https://wccftech.com/gran-turismo-polyphony-raytracing/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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Thanks for the info Dicehunter. This post has been upgraded into a full thread with an OC3D article that discusses it.

I'll post the thread link below, as the discussion on this shouldn't be fragmented.

https://forum.overclock3d.net/showthread.php?t=91246
 
Looks like Asus are bringing out ROG themed keycaps, Although I'm unsure if they are standard ABS or the superior PBT double shot.

From their Facebook page.

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Dicehunter said:
Looks like Asus are bringing out ROG themed keycaps, Although I'm unsure if they are standard ABS or the superior PBT double shot.

From their Facebook page.

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Look poorly coated. I suspect heavy gamers will see that wearining away. Design is kinda cool though a little childish. I like the bold thinking.
 
Dicehunter said:
So people have been clamouring for a sequel to Alien Isolation for 4 years now and instead of a proper fully fledged game, They are continuing Amanda Ripleys story... on mobile, Something that literally no one asked for or even wants.

Someone needs to sit down with these devs and have a very lengthy discussion.

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2019/01/07/alien-blackout-mobile-game-announced/
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I noticed this earlier today and thought to myself, "Dice is going to be disappointed with this one."
 
WYP said:
I noticed this earlier today and thought to myself, "Dice is going to be disappointed with this one."
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Yeah I'm quite disappointed, Literally no one asked for a mobile game, I hope Creative Assembly end up making a proper sequel as this is BS.
 
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