exactly. Even if you leech electricity or have someone pay, its still an impatience grind to get something of value.
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exactly. Even if you leech electricity or have someone pay, its still an impatience grind to get something of value.
NeverBackDown
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If anyone has the Epic Games launcher on PC, if you go to the store you can get Subnautica for free instead of spending $24.00
If anyone has the Epic Games launcher on PC, if you go to the store you can get Subnautica for free instead of spending $24.00
tried it, its annoyingly broken for VR users. FOV is messed up so you cant see quest objectives. I believe you need to add a command in the execute to stop the VR version running by default.
Aside from that, its quite a good game for something free.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
New AMD driver, 18.12.3
https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-rad-win-18-12-3
Radeon Software Adrenalin 2019 Edition 18.12.3 Highlights
Fixed Issues
https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-rad-win-18-12-3
Radeon Software Adrenalin 2019 Edition 18.12.3 Highlights
Fixed Issues
- Fan speed gauge in Radeon WattMan may sometimes overfill.
- Memory clocks on Radeon RX Vega series graphics products may become locked at 800Mhz.
- Game profiles with custom fan settings may sometimes remain even after closing a game.
- The game streaming tab may be missing in Radeon Settings when Radeon Software Adrenalin 2019 Edition is installed twice on a system.
- Radeon ReLive for VR may experience minor corruption for a few seconds immediately after connecting a headset.
- Auto tuning controls are not displaying their warning message in Radeon Overlay.
- Custom values for the sampling interval slider in the performance metrics feature may fail to enable.
- Radeon Settings may sometimes list a previously installed driver version even after driver successfully upgrading.
- Apply and Done buttons may sometimes overlap in Radeon Settings or Radeon Overlay.
- Some systems running multiple displays may experience mouse lag when at least one display is enabled but powered off.
- Uninstalling Radeon Software may fail to remove Radeon Settings.
- Zero RPM may fail to enable/disable correctly when switching between manual and automatic fan controls.
- Upgrade Advisor may intermittently fail to detect games and provide compatibility recommendations.
- A port 58888 already in use error message may be observed when AMD Link Server was disabled while an IOS device client was connected.
- Radeon Overlay’s new in overlay video player may experience smoothness issues while adjusting the playback slider.
- Scene Editor may have issues with scrolling when many elements are added to a scene.
- Custom settings in Radeon WattMan may sometimes fail to apply on Radeon RX Vega series graphics products.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
After Denuvos removal from several games performance has increased by a decent amount, Everything from much faster loading times, Decreased latency, Higher average FPS etc...
https://www.eteknix.com/denuvo-remo...mance/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
https://www.eteknix.com/denuvo-remo...mance/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
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AlienALX
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I always wondered what effect running Denuvo continually (as that is how it works) would have on performance. Now I know.
So much for "It doesn't hurt performance at all".
More lies within the gaming industry. Am I surprised? no, no not really. Which is kinda poignant, if you think about it.
On the left, genuine Steam version for legitimate buyers. On the right? the cracked pirate version.
So much for "It doesn't hurt performance at all".
More lies within the gaming industry. Am I surprised? no, no not really. Which is kinda poignant, if you think about it.
On the left, genuine Steam version for legitimate buyers. On the right? the cracked pirate version.
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Dicehunter
Resident Newb
There's a fair few people who have been shouting from the roof tops for years that Denuvo does negatively impact performance but sadly they get ignored.
DRM does nothing but hurt paying customers, These games are cracked within days and the DRM bypassed making it utterly useless, Devs need to start talking to actual customers instead of their out of touch old men shareholders and just drop DRM altogether.
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AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
Reminds me of this poor newbie on OCN a few years ago that got absolutely destroyed for suggesting his GTX 970 was only using 3.5GB of accessible VRAM in a few games he was testing. All the snobbish regulars torn the guy apart for having such a crazy idea. Two weeks later and the Internet was swarming with debates about how terrible Nvidia were for what they had done. Then Pascal came out and everyone gave them money again.
WYP
News Guru
TBH I don't know if we can trust these findings. He goes into very little detail about how he manages to get his results. I'm not a fan of Denuvo, it is the bane of my existence when testing games, but I don't see how he could have tested this properly.
Do we really believe that he had these benchmark results just sitting there from before each DRM removal patch? That's convenient. How old were these legacy tests? Could other factors have affected his results, Windows updates perhaps?
Bulletstorm: Full Clip lost its Denuvo in 2017, so he sat on those results for a year? Life is strange also lots its DRM in 2017. Moto Racer 4 also lost its Denuvo in February 2018.
I don't see how he legitimately benchmarked these games. There is also the final test, which also looks bogus as his non-denuvo test doesn't even show his results, he just typed them and added them into the video. That's a little dodgy.
Perhaps this merits a little investigation of my own... some games have DRM on some platforms and no DRM on others. Perhaps there is testing to be done there.
Do we really believe that he had these benchmark results just sitting there from before each DRM removal patch? That's convenient. How old were these legacy tests? Could other factors have affected his results, Windows updates perhaps?
Bulletstorm: Full Clip lost its Denuvo in 2017, so he sat on those results for a year? Life is strange also lots its DRM in 2017. Moto Racer 4 also lost its Denuvo in February 2018.
I don't see how he legitimately benchmarked these games. There is also the final test, which also looks bogus as his non-denuvo test doesn't even show his results, he just typed them and added them into the video. That's a little dodgy.
Perhaps this merits a little investigation of my own... some games have DRM on some platforms and no DRM on others. Perhaps there is testing to be done there.
AlienALX
Well-known member
It wouldn't take much to test his claims. Just bench a single one of those games, and see if you get the same %. That would then back up the rest of the claims.
But I don't doubt it myself. Like I said, Denuvo is continually asking the game if it's real. Many times hackers thought they had got it all out but had not.
I try to run nothing under my games now.
WYP
News Guru
That's exactly it. How does one test some of his claims? You can't play Dishonored 2 with Denuvo anymore. Same can be said for Bulletstorm: Full Clip Edition, Life is strange and Moto Racer 4. You cannot play these game pre-patched.
I do see value in testing these claims, though I will need to do some more research to see what can be done right now to test this properly.
There is a lot of confirmation bias when reading these results. They are easy to believe because they are exactly what a lot of people want to hear. IMHO Overlord needed to be much clearer when discussing his testing methodology.
You'd need two identical versions/updates of the same game in both Denuvo and non-Denuvo versions though. I think there have been some games that had co-existing non-DRM versions on platforms like GoG alongside Denuvo enabled Steam versions but I'm not too sure, must be quite rare. The only other alternative would be if Denuvo got patched out the game without any meaningful patches to the rest of the game simultaneously, and you compared two versions directly before & after.
[EDIT- Alternatively it could be cracked vs non-cracked versions of Denuvo enabled games, not all cracks will remove Denuvo fully as many earlier ones only bypassed or tricked the Denuvo systems, but many more recent cracks have existed specifically to remove limitations in CPU support and the like caused by Denuvo).
Though, given the techniques & technology Denuvo is based on, at least a small performance impact is expected, with many of its earlier derivatives having game-impacting performance, and while Denuvo might have made strides in reducing the impact it's not really possible to wipe them out with such active protection. (Also worth noting developers themselves have pointed the finger at Denuvo for certain specific performance issues in the past).
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AlienALX
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Yup, there has to be at least one. Apparently there is only one game that had it 100% removed without it being removed by the devs who coded it, and that's Deus Ex. All of the others (apparently) still had it in the cracked versions and it was still running.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
Yep, Going against the herd mentality that is prevalent in modern society is often met with aggressive behaviour and more often nowadays with violence.
AlienALX
Well-known member
Yeah, so true guys. It's like you dare make a suggestion against the many and you get cut down. I remember complaining about how Crossfire was jerky and all I was met with was brick walls such as "well it works fine for me, must be your setup" and ETC. I carried that grudge for about three years before PCPER outed AMD and the game was up.
But yeah, you ask some one about Crossfire before that day? they would all tell you that you were doing something wrong. It's truly amazing. Even when the info did come out at first people were just totally in denial. Once it sunk in? that is the method used to measure every game's performance metrics.
Now if you tell some one that frame times don't matter? they'd behead you. Such hypocrisy ffs.
But yeah, you ask some one about Crossfire before that day? they would all tell you that you were doing something wrong. It's truly amazing. Even when the info did come out at first people were just totally in denial. Once it sunk in? that is the method used to measure every game's performance metrics.
Now if you tell some one that frame times don't matter? they'd behead you. Such hypocrisy ffs.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Well all DRM does is a check test on boot then it does nothing after that. It would be impossible for it to affect performance. It does not run during while in game.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
It's the same in the fitness community when it comes to the crossfitters, No matter how many times you tell them -
"Lifting weights incorrectly and with bad form including body weight exercises are guaranteed to earn you a major injury down the line"
All of them ignore it and nigh on every single crossfitter I've known has at some point gotten a serious injury, Everything from serious muscle tears, Completely tearing tendons off the bone to injuries that are now life long.
The plethora of tests out there would disagree with you bud.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Pretty sure SPS said it runs at boot then nothing at all. Considering he is an actual software developer who works on games his opinion is far more valuable than any crap a random online user would say who did "testing"
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