Osama bin Laden Killed

[muzza1875]

Yes very strange and according to bbc news he was shot twice in the head after trying to resist.

I would of thought they would have shot him anywhere but the head/face to id him with photos for proof ect.

Also according to the news they have photos and matching dna but until i see them i will be suspicious.

 

[Ya93sin]

Al Qaeda has already decentralized, which happened after the Afghanistan invasion, so there is a presence in so many countries nowadays, along with new cells which have 'allegiance' to al Qaeda.

What bin Laden had was money, his family is very rich, but of course the financial assets have been frozen for a while. Bin Laden also had contacts, which would probably explain to some extent how he ended up living close to a military compound and the capital of Pakistan.

Al Qaeda stopped functioning in the conventional sense a long time ago, the main impact is through groups which they contact and cells.

On your point of mistaken identity: TIM OSMAN, makes an interesting read

Yes very strange and according to bbc news he was shot twice in the head after trying to resist.

I would of thought they would have shot him anywhere but the head/face to id him with photos for proof ect.

Also according to the news they have photos and matching dna but until i see them i will be suspicious.

I'm surprised nobody had a tranquilizer gun if he was resisting, and this is America's elite force, if it was physical resistance it should hardly be an issue. Unless it was firearm resistance? Stun grenade would have been easy too.

Just came across this:

Osama bin Laden is alive and well and living comfortably in a house in the north-west of Pakistan protected by local people and elements of the country's intelligence services, according to a senior Nato official.

 

[Jamsand]

so now that they caught him does that mean it's Obama's turn to hide?

 

[Ya93sin]

Obama might have to hide if this turns out to be a farce.

I doubt it, but given the limited information we have, its possible.

I guess we'll have to wait for some more facts to come out.

I loved the fact the US said it was their own operation to capture bin Laden, but to save face the Pakistani Intelligence claimed it was a 'joint' operation.

If they mean joined as in the military were a few hundred metres away watching TV then maybe

 

[Jamsand]

they have even buried the body QUICKLY at sea !!![/u]

Bloody couriers again! they never take care with your stuff!

 

[muzza1875]

Obama might have to hide if this turns out to be a farce.

I doubt it, but given the limited information we have, its possible.

I guess we'll have to wait for some more facts to come out.

I loved the fact the US said it was their own operation to capture bin Laden, but to save face the Pakistani Intelligence claimed it was a 'joint' operation.

If they mean joined as in the military were a few hundred metres away watching TV then maybe

I don't think the Pakistani knew until it was on the news!lol, supposedly a while back when carrying out an operation to capture another al quada insurgent the Pakistani government was informed about the operation shortly before it went ahead, anyway the insurgent was tipped off and they didn't get they're man.

Guess they didnt want it happening with Big Osama

 

[KING_OF_SAND]

This is getting a bit ridiculous.

Don't ever make a connection between mainstream Sunni or Shi'a Islam and the rubbish that bin Laden and Al Qaeda preach.

Someone here is being well out of line with comments aimed at other people.

I'm Muslim, and I can assure you I don't go around wanting to murder every American I see, nor do I particularly want to wipe out the west, I'm lucky enough to live in a particularly nice part of England.

I don't know where you have heard this, or who told you things like this, but even FOX News is not going to twist things in this kind of way. The first line is an absolutely absurd comment to make.

First off, Liverpool is a city, not a school.

On the historical aspect, a lot of ideas and new technology came out of the Arab world a few hundred years ago. 'Algebra' is an Arabic-derived word itself. There was freedom, but complete freedom is rare in any country, today or in history.

The US prides itself on freedom of speech, those who want Sharia law are a minority, much like the BNP in England. You can happily ignore them.

Also bin Laden has not killed millions, he has killed thousands though through his actions. A million is a ridiculous exaggeration unless you want to blame him for the US going into Iraq and Afghanistan and killing innocent civilians, however unintentionally.

Anyway, points I would like to raise on bin Laden's death:

• The most powerful country in the world took 13 years to find him
• They then killed him straight away which is strange, even with Saddam they brought him into custody alive
• He was found 2 hours (60km) from Islamabad in a $1m compound in an affluent area of Pakistan
• The compound was less than 1km away from Pakistan's biggest military training camp

I suppose some element of the Pakistani military is corrupt. Also remember that the bin Laden family is ridiculously rich, Osama was one of 52 or so children, but his father was a millionaire, now that company he founded earns billions of dollars in construction. So bribery is not out of the question. Also remember there are sympathetic elements of Pakistani society to bin Laden's 'cause'.

You arrantly did not read the beginning of the post. is said 10% of Muslims are killing!





University of liverpool (http://www.liv.ac.uk/)

find me proof of this. were do you guys get your info that we just killed innocent civilians. ITS WAR and to be blunt SHIT HAPPENS. Innocent people die all the time. over 3000 innocent people died in our country in 9/11 but Muslims seem to forget that. I am by no means bashing Muslims as i have a Muslim friend who is awesome! But you have to separate you from the EXTREMISTS! Why is it people in this thread not separating the EXTREMISTS from the good Muslims? I think i know why, it is because you are either Muslim yourself ALONG <<<KEY WORD THERE- hate the United States or you do not live here and and listen to BAD MEDIA <<<ANOTHER KEY WORD and so distort EVERYTHING i say out of context and immediately assume i am speaking about all Muslims. Of course i am not! Even you have to realize that there is a decent size minority in the Muslim world (more than any other culture) that is killing TONS of people.





@ruthless Sorry but you are a sick person. there is more proof that Israel WAS NOT stolen. The only proof i can find saying it was are VERY biased sites and forums saying it was stolen. and frankly the sites saying it was stolen makes NO SENSE! You are just anti american and hate all those who love america. Explain to me why you live Europe? Prince Williams WANTED to fight in the war but was denied the privilege of it. You can not find a country that is not mostly for the war America is in. Technically this war has been going on for thousands of years. I hate to bing it up but remember the Persian Empire? in other words the precursor to modern day Muslims?! They STOLE and KILLED by the millions consistently! And the one thing they hated most was DEMOCRACY! This is why they wanted Sparta and Athena, was because Persia did not democracy. YES I KNOW things have change sense then with the Qraan and other holy books but the fact still remains, Muslims or Persians are also responsible for killing, they are not totally innocent like you make them out to believe. I understand that there are good Muslims, as i said i have a friend to is one and i love him as a friend. AND EVEN HE understands why we are in this war, and how WRONG a large MINORITY of the Muslim community it. AND how brainwashed some of them are into thinking they did not start this.

 

[Ya93sin]

You arrantly did not read the beginning of the post. is said 10% of Muslims are killing!

University of liverpool (http://www.liv.ac.uk/)

...find me proof of this... Of course i am not! Even you have to realize that there is a decent size minority in the Muslim world (more than any other culture) that is killing TONS of people.

10% of 1.6 billion is 160m, are you serious when you say 160m Muslims are killing other people?

The University of Liverpool isn't particularly bad, but what that has to do with somebody's intelligence is beyond me.

Look, I'm Muslim, I assure you I know that 3000 people died, 3000 innocents, but it has nothing to do with what I posted so I shall move on.

Please give an example of this decent size (10% = 160m Muslims) minority killing TONS of people.

Why is it people... assume i am speaking about all Muslims.

There is no need for this, nor any personal insults. I haven't put in the full quotes because quite frankly I am not sure what point you are trying to make, and a couple of things probably break the rules.

What reason would I have to hate America, irregardless of my religious beliefs?

I read and watch a lot of different media sources.

 

[muzza1875]

You arrantly did not read the beginning of the post. is said 10% of Muslims are killing!





University of liverpool (http://www.liv.ac.uk/)

find me proof of this. were do you guys get your info that we just killed innocent civilians. ITS WAR and to be blunt SHIT HAPPENS. Innocent people die all the time. over 3000 innocent people died in our country in 9/11 but Muslims seem to forget that. I am by no means bashing Muslims as i have a Muslim friend who is awesome! But you have to separate you from the EXTREMISTS! Why is it people in this thread not separating the EXTREMISTS from the good Muslims? I think i know why, it is because you are either Muslim yourself ALONG <<<KEY WORD THERE- hate the United States or you do not live here and and listen to BAD MEDIA <<<ANOTHER KEY WORD and so distort EVERYTHING i say out of context and immediately assume i am speaking about all Muslims. Of course i am not! Even you have to realize that there is a decent size minority in the Muslim world (more than any other culture) that is killing TONS of people.





@ruthless Sorry but you are a sick person. there is more proof that Israel WAS NOT stolen. The only proof i can find saying it was are VERY biased sites and forums saying it was stolen. and frankly the sites saying it was stolen makes NO SENSE! You are just anti american and hate all those who love america. Explain to me why you live Europe? Prince Williams WANTED to fight in the war but was denied the privilege of it. You can not find a country that is not mostly for the war America is in. Technically this war has been going on for thousands of years. I hate to bing it up but remember the Persian Empire? in other words the precursor to modern day Muslims?! They STOLE and KILLED by the millions consistently! And the one thing they hated most was DEMOCRACY! This is why they wanted Sparta and Athena, was because Persia did not democracy. YES I KNOW things have change sense then with the Qraan and other holy books but the fact still remains, Muslims or Persians are also responsible for killing, they are not totally innocent like you make them out to believe. I understand that there are good Muslims, as i said i have a friend to is one and i love him as a friend. AND EVEN HE understands why we are in this war, and how WRONG a large MINORITY of the Muslim community it. AND how brainwashed some of them are into thinking they did not start this.

Are you a troll?

 

[KING_OF_SAND]

Are you a troll?

i should ask you the same thing?

yea i am a troll with over 500 posts? good luck convincing people.

 

[Ya93sin]

Technically this war has been going on for thousands of years. I hate to bing it up but remember the Persian Empire? in other words the precursor to modern day Muslims?! They STOLE and KILLED by the millions consistently! And the one thing they hated most was DEMOCRACY! This is why they wanted Sparta and Athena, was because Persia did not democracy. YES I KNOW things have change sense then with the Qraan and other holy books but the fact still remains, Muslims or Persians are also responsible for killing, they are not totally innocent like you make them out to believe. I understand that there are good Muslims, as i said i have a friend to is one and i love him as a friend. AND EVEN HE understands why we are in this war, and how WRONG a large MINORITY of the Muslim community it. AND how brainwashed some of them are into thinking they did not start this.

Neither Persians nor Israel has anything to do with bin Laden dying.

SO, basically you reckon the Persians didn't want democracy in other countries, so invaded them? I would suggest they invaded to show strength, gain materials, gain land, and become a bigger empire.

Persians were not Muslims, Muslims came after the revelation of the Qu'ran. Everybody is responsible if they kill somebody else, nobody denies this.

You make it seem like 9/10 Muslims (I'm not going to say 9/11 because that's trolling) want to kill every Westerner, nothing is further from the truth.

When you say 'this' what do you mean? Al Qaeda? I assure you Muslims as a collective did not start Al Qaeda, they were borne out of the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan.

 

[KING_OF_SAND]

Neither Persians nor Israel has anything to do with bin Laden dying.

SO, basically you reckon the Persians didn't want democracy in other countries, so invaded them? I would suggest they invaded to show strength, gain materials, gain land, and become a bigger empire.

Persians were not Muslims, Muslims came after the revelation of the Qu'ran. Everybody is responsible if they kill somebody else, nobody denies this.

You make it seem like 9/10 Muslims (I'm not going to say 9/11 because that's trolling) want to kill every Westerner, nothing is further from the truth.

When you say 'this' what do you mean? Al Qaeda? I assure you Muslims as a collective did not start Al Qaeda, they were borne out of the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan.

See this is what i mean. Are you not understanding English or something? This is a real problem on the internet now.

That is also true, ALONG with disliking democracy!





I JUST SAID THAT!!!!!!!! READ WHAT I SAID AGAIN! "[font=Verdana, sans-serif, FreeSans]YES I KNOW things have change sense then with the Qraan and other holy books..."[/font]

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[font="Verdana, sans-serif, FreeSans"]No i do not. YOU ASSUME that is what i make it seem. No were have i stated the majority of Muslims are EXTREMISTS, in fact if you read AGAIN i mention plenty of times that it is a minority, around 1 out of every 10 or 20![/font]

 

[Ya93sin]

I think dugdiamond was right, its time to close the thread. Sigh. It was all going so well.

...

Look mate don't tell me I can't understand English then spell things like 'since' wrong.

I said you make it seem as if 90% are extremist. 1/20 is not true at all.

Oh I'm Muslim, and I like democracy.

 

[muzza1875]

I think dugdiamond was right, its time to close the thread. Sigh. It was all going so well.

+ 1

 

[KING_OF_SAND]

So let me get the straight guys. I start shat was once a reasonable post, and then this thread was hijacked into an argument, now you want it closed? THE BASICS OF FORUMS IS "if you do not like the thread DO NOT READ IT!" What is wrong with guys. just because you do not agree with the post does not mean it should be closed!

The mods should delete all posts all the way back to when ruthless replied to it first.

I started this thread because i optimistic about the US catching Laden.

 

[Ya93sin]

I started this thread because i optimistic about the US catching Laden.

Er yeah they've caught him..

 

[KING_OF_SAND]

sorry i should say killed him.

Can we at least put our differences aside now and end this argument that was not intended for this thread. just realize i am by no means anti Muslim and have no intention of smearing the faith.

Who wants to play some left 4 dead 2

 

[mrapoc]

Bye bye thread. Shame people are too misinformed or closed into their own opinions that personal insults are coming out.

And just FYI I bet even 1/100 muslims aren't extremists either

If he's dead I'm sure we can all agree its a good thing. We are just questioning the claims - all we have to go by is the Government's word

He could have been dead ages ago, or could still be at large, with more protection (surely he would be protected by his own personal army?)

 

[KING_OF_SAND]

Bye bye thread. Shame people are too misinformed or closed into their own opinions that personal insults are coming out.

And just FYI I bet even 1/100 muslims aren't extremists either

for one there was not one personal insult in this thread.

and please read my post before yours. STOP TROLLING THE THREAD!

 

[mrapoc]

Seems we posted at the same time.

I and other's felt things were moving towards personal slagging such as referring to liverpool, education and painting us as America haters etc.

Sorry if that wasn't intended. Anyway, read up on your definition of trolling too, i'm merely discussing my views on the matter.

ciao