Osama bin Laden Killed

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ruthless said:
No, they give good reasons for bombing israel

1). Israel stole their land.

2). Israeli's Took their Houses

3). Israel Bombarded the shit out of them for a whole month

4) Israel will kill anyone who attempts to help the Palestinians ( have a look at the flotilla incident)

5). Israel have sealed of the border and are playing god with their lives, if they feel generous they let in food,if they dont then seal shit up

6). Israel are a terrorist state, a pirate state and a illegal state.
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1 & 2) no they did not. It is believed by people like you that it was stolen by Philistines or modern Palestine. There has only been one group who has lived there for around 3,700 hundred years, that being the Jews. Jerusalem, in particular, has had a Jewish majority since the 1840s, 40 years prior to the beginnings of Zionism.

3) duh! that was because they were bombed first. Please explain to my why in the world would a place as small as Israel WANT to start a fight. they are only 1/10 of 1% of the population there. the last thing they want to do is start a fight.

4, 5) LOL at those ones. the flotilla that was supposedly helping Palestine was a boat caring weapons. Something like 2 Israeli solders were SHOT and i think killed! why would you need to shoot or even have guns for that matter if you are just there to give food? BTW Israel showed who they were, so the whole "PALESTINE THOUGHT THEY WERE PIRATES" does not fly.

5) no comment, that was a stupid one.
 
Wonder how big a part Sony had in this, and will this mean PSN will be sorted out now ?

People can bitch about the US as much as they like, they have the right to do so (without the US they probably wouldn't). I'd be interested in the US withdrawing all their efforts around the world, just to concentrate on their own states/affairs - even for a year or so - just to see how long it would take the rest of the world to start crying.
 
Rastalovich said:
Wonder how big a part Sony had in this, and will this mean PSN will be sorted out now ?

People can bitch about the US as much as they like, they have the right to do so (without the US they probably wouldn't). I'd be interested in the US withdrawing all their efforts around the world, just to concentrate on their own states/affairs - even for a year or so - just to see how long it would take the rest of the world to start crying.
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Yeah if they stopped giving money and weapons to israel it would help
 
KING_OF_SAND said:
1 & 2) no they did not. It is believed by people like you that it was stolen by Philistines or modern Palestine. There has only been one group who has lived there for around 3,700 hundred years, that being the Jews. Jerusalem, in particular, has had a Jewish majority since the 1840s, 40 years prior to the beginnings of Zionism.

3) duh! that was because they were bombed first. Please explain to my why in the world would a place as small as Israel WANT to start a fight. they are only 1/10 of 1% of the population there. the last thing they want to do is start a fight.

4, 5) LOL at those ones. the flotilla that was supposedly helping Palestine was a boat caring weapons. Something like 2 Israeli solders were SHOT and i think killed! why would you need to shoot or even have guns for that matter if you are just there to give food? BTW Israel showed who they were, so the whole "PALESTINE THOUGHT THEY WERE PIRATES" does not fly.

5) no comment, that was a stupid one.
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1). No the jews of the 8th century surrendered the land to Umar Ibn Al-khattab not one person was killed. so the Israelis did steal it

2). Because they stole the land, they stole the houses

3) 12 israelis died, they deserved it could you kick somebody out of their house and feel no guilt oh no you yanks already did that with the native americans huh, how would you feel if someone did it too you

1500 palestinians died, so thats more than a 1:100 ratio yeah that was nice ( read the goldstone report)

4).The flotilla 4+ innocent people died and they were carrying food, you really think a british MP is going to take weapons? (George Galloway)

5). and they sealed it off so they could not rebuild gaza and so they would starve. if israel can have weapons and the US give them freely why cant egypt and syria give weapons to Gaza

WELCOME TO ISRAEL THE 51ST STATE
 
Just gonna jump in and out here to express my views on the matter and this thread

If it is him, great news, but that won't be the end of it.

I, myself, will not thoroughly believe it till proper evidence is displayed - it all seems a bit much of a convenience chucking the body into the sea and thats it with no proper identification. They probably needed a boost for the upcoming elections in some way or another?

Dont get me wrong it would be great if it was him, but where is the evidence? It seems too convenient especially with no evidence.

King_Of_Sand seems a bit deluded. I mean yes, we all hope it was him but you can show this without seeming ignorant or say, brainwashed and spitting fire at anyone who questions these claims. Personal digs such as the liverpool comment make you seem a bit childish to be honest.

There is a lot of wrong going on in the world and lets just say some problems in todays world are issues created in the past (when it suited certain countries) coming back to bite us/others
 
its about time thay got him

celebration time lol

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do you realy think that a organization like that wont have someone else to step into his place?

its the same as any gang or mafia one out................one in
 
This is getting a bit ridiculous.

Don't ever make a connection between mainstream Sunni or Shi'a Islam and the rubbish that bin Laden and Al Qaeda preach.

Someone here is being well out of line with comments aimed at other people.

I'm Muslim, and I can assure you I don't go around wanting to murder every American I see, nor do I particularly want to wipe out the west, I'm lucky enough to live in a particularly nice part of England.

KING_OF_SAND said:
Again apparently a good 10%, another words MILLIONS of Muslims do not think that and are out to kill EVERYONE especially the United States. But you also have to realize it is not just a religious factor, the radicals are out to just kill the US because they do not like our way of life. They are even bombing the shit out Israel mainly because they have the same interests as the US.
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I don't know where you have heard this, or who told you things like this, but even FOX News is not going to twist things in this kind of way. The first line is an absolutely absurd comment to make.

KING_OF_SAND said:
That video made me LOL! Yea lets see what a rapper has to say about foreign affairs. What are his credentials? or is he just talking out of spite? and the rest of your post is garbage. were the HELL did you get your education!? judging by your avatar i am guessing Liverpool? This is expected from someone coming from a school like that.

Look at the death toll from Laden, Umar Khadafy, and Saddam Hussein. you were brainwashed into thinking these people are not mass murders. Also there was NEVER freedom like what the US has in the Muslim world. You were just bought up to think that and then told the US stole there freedom. yet there is not ONE shred of proof showing that they were once a free thriving society.

Also i did not say they were [font="Verdana, sans-serif, FreeSans"]jealous of our freedom, they just do not like it. Did you know there are Muslims here in the US want to enforce sharia law, that is about as anti freedom as you can get. [/font]
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First off, Liverpool is a city, not a school.

On the historical aspect, a lot of ideas and new technology came out of the Arab world a few hundred years ago. 'Algebra' is an Arabic-derived word itself. There was freedom, but complete freedom is rare in any country, today or in history.

The US prides itself on freedom of speech, those who want Sharia law are a minority, much like the BNP in England. You can happily ignore them.

Also bin Laden has not killed millions, he has killed thousands though through his actions. A million is a ridiculous exaggeration unless you want to blame him for the US going into Iraq and Afghanistan and killing innocent civilians, however unintentionally.

Anyway, points I would like to raise on bin Laden's death:

  • The most powerful country in the world took 13 years to find him
  • They then killed him straight away which is strange, even with Saddam they brought him into custody alive
  • He was found 2 hours (60km) from Islamabad in a $1m compound in an affluent area of Pakistan
  • The compound was less than 1km away from Pakistan's biggest military training camp
I suppose some element of the Pakistani military is corrupt. Also remember that the bin Laden family is ridiculously rich, Osama was one of 52 or so children, but his father was a millionaire, now that company he founded earns billions of dollars in construction. So bribery is not out of the question. Also remember there are sympathetic elements of Pakistani society to bin Laden's 'cause'.
 
I'm not going to close this yet, but it's really close guys. Stop it with the personal attacks and the profanity. You know who you are.
 
dugdiamond said:
when another 'most wanted' person was caught (saddam hussien), we actually saw him being hung. that was proof enough for me.
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the key differance is that Saddam Hussien was captured ALIVE not not dead

while i agree with the rest of your post, Special Forces cant just realease video footage of missions even as high profile as this one as it could give away a lot of tactics.
 
I admit that I do find it strange that they have supposedly shot and disposed of the body,Surely he would have warranted the VIP suite in Guantanamo bay?

I think all matters regarding religion should not be allowed to be discussed,it always gets out of hand+religion has caused more harm than any disease or natural disaster,it always brings out the worst in us.
 
I think if he would have been captured that would have been worse than him being killed. I can imagine him being tortured endlessly by Americans if he was in custody.

I have enough faith in the government to make sure it's the right person and get rid of him. Why they did it so fast, well IDK but whatever. I just want this crap to be over with.

Also, I really do not see this helping the coming election either. Many people are still not satisfied with Obama and this doesn't make an entire lot of difference because he didn't physically do it.

One thing that I seen that bothered me right now is people confusing Muslims with Muslim extremest. These are two completely different things. These two groups should never be confused because if you wanted to do that you would have to assume the same about any religion including the Catholics. We also have extremest in our country as well, wasn't david koresh a wacked out bible thumper? Exactly.
 
As has been pointed out, Saddam was brought back alive into custody, so its odd that with somebody so high profile as bin Laden, the same did not happen. Even bringing back the dead body would have been so useful.

Apparently Saudi Arabia refused to accept the body, but surely it could have been taken back to the US or another safe country to be looked after?

FoodStampz said:
I think if he would have been captured that would have been worse than him being killed. I can imagine him being tortured endlessly by Americans if he was in custody.

I have enough faith in the government to make sure it's the right person and get rid of him. Why they did it so fast, well IDK but whatever. I just want this crap to be over with.

Also, I really do not see this helping the coming election either. Many people are still not satisfied with Obama and this doesn't make an entire lot of difference because he didn't physically do it.

One thing that I seen that bothered me right now is people confusing Muslims with Muslim extremest. These are two completely different things. These two groups should never be confused because if you wanted to do that you would have to assume the same about any religion including the Catholics. We also have extremest in our country as well, wasn't david koresh a wacked out bible thumper? Exactly.
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That is a good point, I'm sure they would have absolutely gone to town on the body, after all look what happens to terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay.

Good shout on the difference between mainstream and extremist Muslims, many people tend to think that extremists are reading straight from the Qu'ran, whereas they are actually twisting the words until they barely resemble what was written originally.
 
I think it's a bit strange, the way he was found, the nature of his quick burial, the minimal amount of solid facts, i still doubt it i mean it could have been one of his look-a-likes or a case of mistaken identity, of course if he isn't dead then this will work wonders for him seeing that the world will think hes dead and won't be looking for him.

And another note: if he really was killed, would this really stop al-qaeda? I doubt they'll just abandon ship and leave it at that.
 
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