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[Wraith]

You could always just build a case? Start with the Motherboard tray and IO panel and go from there.

 

[hensiepensie]

Hi wraithguard,

You are spot on! I was at a friends yesterday and was talking about the caselabs/mountain mods and just making one from scratch.....

The conversation quickly shape form, and i decided to save some $ and make a fully custom case, with some help of my metal-friend (which will prob. take a while, because i want to do the design in autocad), so many nice buildlogs here, which gives me so much inspiration!!!

So that is that for now, not buying a new case, but building a custom one when the designs are ready...
This way i can spend more on other things i really want (northbridge cooling, new cpu...)

UPDATE:
I went to the shop to pickup my tubing, and decided (because of high temps of my NB ) that i wanted to clean it and reapply some TIM on my NB, so got some TIM-remover and TIM. I also wanted to try a 92mm fan for my case, so bought that too......

some pictures of the new stuff.....

too bad there was a kink in the tubing, always lucky.....hopefully i can get around it...

fan looks nice though!

I wanted to do the northbridge, so the motherboard came out....

some picture of the northbridge.....

Clean!

Now comes the funny thing, i fixed up the NB, but it seems to run even hotter now....so i will add an northbridge cooler to the coming loop, because i think the northbridge is the bottleneck in my system, and i don't like it seeing it @80 degrees celsius when stresstesting (amd says thats the max too)

The block does it job, because it's too hot to touch when stressing, i think it's just not enough delta T to dissipate enough watts i think (also because it's placed in the exhaust flow of the stock cpu cooler)

I an gonna order this block as NB cooler, and hope it will get the temps down......(there are no blocks for my MB, but universals can fit, hole spacing is 74 mm), this one looks the best imo.....

 

[Wraith]

Cool looking forward to seeing your design plans.

 

[hensiepensie]

Hi guys ,

I did a little designing in sketchup and it's beginning to form a bit....
I do have a rather important question about my design, about the airflow

The idea is that the bottom layer is all intake, the middle layer will be mostly plexi (i prefer no fans here, for design), and the top will place 2x420 rad for exhaust
i will be making double floors/ceilings for design

Now the main question is, will this become (too) hot? logically i say it doesn't matter where the fans are, as long as they work together to do the volume, if that makes sense.....

 

[QuietOne]

Your sketch at first glance looked like your motherboard was sitting on top of a cooker, I thought it was a kitchen lol.

Nice design though.

 

[Innocent159]

If the bottom is intake, what happens with the air in the middle? and How is the air transferred from one level to another?

 

[hensiepensie]

Hi innocent,

I plan to make a double floor, so it will not bee see-through, but there will be enough holes for air to flow from one level to one level.

I just wonder if it's needed to point a fan at the motherboard, or it will have enough cooling with just the airflow, if that makes sense.

I will try to mockup that floor (and ceiling, but principle is the same), but still learning sketchup, so i hope i have it finished tonight

thanks, anything else that pops up?

Your sketch at first glance looked like your motherboard was sitting on top of a cooker, I thought it was a kitchen lol.

Nice design though.

LOL (definitely have to do something about that look ), thanks for the compliment.

 

[Innocent159]

Imo Its not needed because the hot air will rise and since the bottom air is cool, the middle level will get that cool air and then the mixture of cool air (bottom) and warm air (middle) will rise to the top and exit.

You can just have more air holes under the motherboard and the cool air will over power the warm air the motherboard produce so it will end up in the exhaust area. + You have exhaust fans pulling the air out

 

[hensiepensie]

thanks man, i have the same reasoning, but ive never made something like this, where there are no fans near the motherboard/in the direct airflow (but when you go custom, there are no limits )
.....however logically i think that having 7 intake fans (120mm) in the lower part, and 6 (140mm) as exhaust should do the job.....i just don't know, it's guessing so far for me, thanks for your thoughts!

some pictures to clarify, and while making this i had an even better idea, which will restrict the airflow less.....but thats for later, a lot to do in the design still

here is an example for the bottom, the 2 layers will come closer together, but for viewing i pulled them a bit out.....

overview of the bottom when in the case, really pre-alpha...

 

[Innocent159]

That looks like enough air going up. Sometimes with custom builds there are trail and error situations and if you later want to direct a fan to the mobo you can just make a fan bracket in the lower level.

Will you have dust filter cause intake can cause a lot of dust and with such a window you want that build clean to death.

Oh and noise level?

 

[Innocent159]

I don't know where your exhaust fans are going but ill put some here to pull it up and more on the side to pull it out and the radiators with there own fans (In what ever configuration you decide on)

(sorry for the mini mod I made to your sketch.)

 

[hensiepensie]

thanks man, i guess your right, just try it...., but i'd like to plan this out in very great detail before starting to build, cause that's just the way to go, if you want to succeed....

i will have dust filters on every intake fan (prob demciflex), i plan not to use filters in the top (exhaust) part (as the air should get filtered when going in the case, so the air should be clean imo

Or should i filter the intake (maybe even exhaust) of the exhaust too?

noise level should be fine, i am gonna full enclosed, with about max 1500rpm fans, a overkill of radiatorsurface should keep the temps ok, but this is only a guess too , i don't like noise if that's what you mean......if the bottom layer makes to much noise, i will dampen it, but i think it's not neccesary.

Now more questions from me...
Is there a reason why i should use 2 reservoirs? i planned it in if i wanted to go double loop, but after reading up about that, i am thinking of just a single loop....
I am having troubles with mounting the second pump/reservoircombo (that's how it's planned now), so it would be great if the second reservoir could get out of the design.
I do want a second pump in the build, for reliability, but does that pump also need a reservoir on top, or should it just be placed where it always has flow (lowest point)

thanks again, and back to the drawing board for me

EDIT BECAUSE I MISSED YOUR REPLY...
i was planning to use the radiatorfans in the top as an exhaust, the radiators will be
2x 420 (triple 140's), push pull config

i did not plan to use something like casefans in the top, i'd like to use to 12x140 fans on the radiator for that purpose....what you think about that?

ohh i don't mind the mod i really appreciate the thinking with me

 

[Innocent159]

I have no water cool experience but i'm sure here is people that will help you with that.

Filter is not needed in the exhaust here imo because that air is going out.

The reason why I said you can include the fans in that area is because you don't want the hot air just to exit through the radiators so it would be logic to have exhaust fans for the hot air and raidiator fans to keep it cold.

 

[hensiepensie]

I am sure of that too, and maybe i find the answer myself (never hurts to look into the why again of a reservoir ), i appreciate opinions though!

I was thinking to (maybe) place a filter so the radiator keeps cleaner, but like i said i think (assume) the air will be clean when it enters there (because it gets cleaned at the intake), maybe a watercooler can elaborate on this?

Your prob right about some real exhaust fans, it makes sense what your saying.....but again maybe some experienced guys here can say if what i plan is wrong, and should also make some exhaust fans in the top part......

My reasoning about this is that i assume my case will be something like max 40 degrees celcius (i hope a lot lower offcourse) but even with 40 degrees i hope to have enough delta T to run quietly, with this cooling setup (my aircooled case also gets max 43 degrees with 27 ambient, so i assume it will go down), also because the large radiatorsurface i don't "need" all of the coolingpower so assumed it will keep cool (if i don't restrict airflow too much) and didn't need extra exhaust fans...

Thanks for the input yet again!

little update;
what's better then a cube.....a nice curve offcourse
still real early, just lifted it to V3 (version3), and prob will get to building at V10 or something like that , also getting a lot quicker with sketchup, really handy toy

i need to do a lot of work, i know, please don't state the obvious (the sticking out parts for example...)
i also want to eliminate to corners, but need to think a bit more about the connections and stabilty before i can decide on that, it would definitely look awesome if i can do like a 3 panel-plexi......
backside will be straight, because curves take up so much space!!!!

If anybody know why i should "need" a second reservoir, it would be much appreciated, because i am getting at a design-bump because of that

By the way, i have set the theme.....de Pokerdoos
Which is dutch for "the poker box"....i hope you are gonna like it as much as me

Thanks for reading!

Updated pics;

 

[Innocent159]

Hey, Will your build be wood?

 

[Feronix]

Please do remember that passively cooled components like the RAM and motherboard do not rely on the cool air that is inside the case, but the air that flows over their heatsinks.

Other than that, I'd like to see this.

 

[Innocent159]

Please do remember that passively cooled components like the RAM and motherboard do not rely on the cool air that is inside the case, but the air that flows over their heatsinks.

Other than that, I'd like to see this.

If that is the case than all the fans in the lower section is a waste? or what? and then do he need to have fans in the middle section also?

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i say water cool everything!

 

[hensiepensie]

hi feronix,

would you be so kind to elaborate on your statement?

I plan to have no fans aiming at the motherboard, there will be an airflow from the bottom compartment (intake fresh air) through the middle (cool the mainboard) and exits through the top (exhaust hot air), so in my opinion the vrm's and stuff like that should have enough fresh air to cool? (even if they are not in direct airflow)

If i can find everything, i will prob watercool the CPU, NB, MEM, VGA. so i think only the vrm's are left then, but i am really wondering if the airflow (pushed from bottom compartment, and sucked through the top compartment) is enough vs a fan aiming at the motherboard (that is definitely enough, for my 24/7 usage), but i really really want to keep the middle as clean as possible, and rotating fans aren't clean imo

@innocent,

the build will look wood , i will (try to) airbrush the whole case but basic underlayer of the paintjob will prob be woody, painted on a full aluminium case! (will need to speak to metalguy for details on the Al if you'd like...)

I like poker and thinking in that theme, i will prob go for a lot of wood, and will do some panels in like pokertable "vilt" (don't know the english word for it, just the green table cloth you see on most pokertables ) and maybe some accents with nice brown leather or something, not want to do overkill on a theme to much, but will be hard to hold back prob....

 

[Feronix]

The way a heatsink works is that the heat of the component spreads out through the heatsink (more surface area). Then, because of air flowing over the heatsink, the heat gets exchanged, i.e the air blowing on the heatsink is 'cool' (delta temperature) and the air coming off is warmer.
It's actually a common misconception that the air coming from a fan is cooler, but this is not the case.

Because you have no proper airflow over your motherboard, the RAM and VRMs and everything else is going to miss out, considering the only airflow there is goes from the bottom to the top, but the motherboard is mounted horizontally.

I don't think it would be a bad idea to add a fan or two to the middle compartment, like near the top of the motherboard or right above the I/O area (although the latter would require small fans and they suck).

 

[Innocent159]

hi feronix,

@innocent,

the build will look wood , i will (try to) airbrush the whole case but basic underlayer of the paintjob will prob be woody, painted on a full aluminium case! (will need to speak to metalguy for details on the Al if you'd like...)

I like poker and thinking in that theme, i will prob go for a lot of wood, and will do some panels in like pokertable "vilt" (don't know the english word for it, just the green table cloth you see on most pokertables ) and maybe some accents with nice brown leather or something, not want to do overkill on a theme to much, but will be hard to hold back prob....

Sound exciting and i cant wait to see how it work out. This one will come down to attention to detail and build quality. Cant wait.

Why not try acrylic pipe? that's the most clean water tubing if bend perfectly imo.

The way a heatsink works is that the heat of the component spreads out through the heatsink (more surface area). Then, because of air flowing over the heatsink, the heat gets exchanged, i.e the air blowing on the heatsink is 'cool' (delta temperature) and the air coming off is warmer.
It's actually a common misconception that the air coming from a fan is cooler, but this is not the case.

Because you have no proper airflow over your motherboard, the RAM and VRMs and everything else is going to miss out, considering the only airflow there is goes from the bottom to the top, but the motherboard is mounted horizontally.

I don't think it would be a bad idea to add a fan or two to the middle compartment, like near the top of the motherboard or right above the I/O area (although the latter would require small fans and they suck).

This is right and the cleaner option is water cool it but otherwise you must add some fans in the middle compartment.