New Full Build - its been 7 years!

[SPS]

For that price I'd expect nothing less than 980 SLI. The 5960X is really pointless over the 5930k..

Secondly, I wouldn't use HDDs, get some central file storage (e.g. NAS drive) and use SSDs. Disk access can be a real bottleneck..

Also, what features are you wanting from the rampage?

 

[Kirk]

I have 6TB of Storage on my NAS drives already, The 2TB drive was just so I didn't end up filling the SSD up with junk when I'm creating large files, downloading whatever.

I haven't purchased anything yet and this is the build advise section which Is why I have been posting on here before I made any purchases.

I have always purchased Asus motherboards ever since a bad experience with Gigabyte a long time ago, I trust Asus boards and since there was $100 difference between that the X99 deluxe I was originally going for I though why not just go for it then quite honestly it escalated from there, the build I posted has been seriously cut as I have been looking at full custom loops and it just got a little out of control. Also wanted to do some overclocking and have some fun....

To be honest I see what you saying with the price that list I posted there was around 4.8k don't know the exact figure I have now removed and changed quite a bit after that recent response I got.

The 980 Strix as an example is $869 so you can see how easy it is to ramp up the budget fast

 

[JR23]

Well fair enough!

I did write out a long response explaining my reasoning but quite honestly I don't want to go into my personal finances and have to explain myself. Quite happy to just go back to reading the reviews and what others have to say in the general forums.

In all honesty, how many people are there with excessive/extreme pc builds that will actually get the full benefit out of them, I see its easy to criticize someone for wanting to get the best they can afford but don't actually need but aren't we all guilty of that?

Your totally right, we all make moves that aren't particularly logical at times, purchase more or better than we need be it for the indulgence in excess, aesthetic value or simply the e-peen. You sound like a sensible guy who's not at all doing it for the peen but is dropping a lot of cash and hence expects it to look and perform well, I respect that, you should.

At the same time your asking for advice here, and we all like to give advice to make sure you get what you want from your purchases. Not just have you selected a good product but if it makes sense in context with the rest of the build and your future intentions. I'm sorry if you thought my response was inappropriate and I have no right to question your personal finances especially when your a different age and living in a different country which I really can't relate too. As it stood your build just seemed rather unbalanced and earlier you were questioning whether you could justify X99 over Z97, when you added lets be honest, the most expensive consumer CPU in the world to your wish list it came across as quite a shock.

Not because "it's better than my CPU" or I envy you for buying it, i've bought enough hardware for that kind of stuff not to matter to me anymore. It just made a significant difference to the overall balance of your build. And i'm just trying to kindly say after a point spending 'too much' money might not help you. Like everything just be considered in your approach, your initial build list seemed like a better 'build' than what you adjusted it to.

Anyway if you want my opinion on the build direction let me know, i'd be happy to price what I think at an AUS retailler and give you more options on stuff as before.

JR

 

[Kirk]

Your totally right, we all make moves that aren't particularly logical at times, purchase more or better than we need be it for the indulgence in excess, aesthetic value or simply the e-peen. You sound like a sensible guy who's not at all doing it for the peen but is dropping a lot of cash and hence expects it to look and perform well, I respect that, you should.

At the same time your asking for advice here, and we all like to give advice to make sure you get what you want from your purchases. Not just have you selected a good product but if it makes sense in context with the rest of the build and your future intentions. I'm sorry if you thought my response was inappropriate and I have no right to question your personal finances especially when your a different age and living in a different country which I really can't relate too. As it stood your build just seemed rather unbalanced and earlier you were questioning whether you could justify X99 over Z97, when you added lets be honest, the most expensive consumer CPU in the world to your wish list it came across as quite a shock.

Not because "it's better than my CPU" or I envy you for buying it, i've bought enough hardware for that kind of stuff not to matter to me anymore. It just made a significant difference to the overall balance of your build. And i'm just trying to kindly say after a point spending 'too much' money might not help you. Like everything just be considered in your approach, your initial build list seemed like a better 'build' than what you adjusted it to.

Anyway if you want my opinion on the build direction let me know, i'd be happy to price what I think at an AUS retailler and give you more options on stuff as before.

JR

Il be completelty honest with you I have several builds and this last one was or is the most extreme and totaly overkill, however the married guys on the forum may appreciate this but my wife controls the perse strings and to top it off she is an accountant so its not like im going to get to do another complete build in a couple of years no matter how much I cut the cost down on this build, it was hard enough getting this one past her with the current PC still working! Basically she has given me a budget and I have sneakily been extra money aside for it and topping up the budget.

Please dont get me wrong a do really appreciate the advise and take it all on board, im not sure on your age but im 36 so no spring chicken ha ha!!! I think the problem I have and probably most can relate to is you do want the best even if you dont need it, its like buying a fast car knowing you can only drive it at 70mph 99.9 percent of the time.

Up until the last build I used to do new builds every couple of years but that was because you needed to more then than you do these days to be able to run the best games etc..

I of course would aprreciate you input as you seems to be one of the more regular posters on these forums and well respected so here is a link to the main site that I use here http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=index

The Asus Rampage V Extreme I went for was just I have never owned a ROG board and just the straight out of the box edge on performance over the X99 Deluxe with the overclocking and of course I thought to my self now If i have the best motherboard I should have the best CPU to go with it, then the best graphics card and so on and it all spiralled out of control as you can imagine.

The other option, I could drop the CPU down to the six core and get two 980's

 

[Kirk]

Ok so here is my trail of thought after much thinking over last couple of days,

Cut the CPU back to the 5930K
Cut the graphics card back to 2 x GTX 970 Strix in SLI
Remove the 2 TB hard and replace with a 500 Gb SSD (secondary)

Not sure weather to cut the motherboard also and go with the X99 Deluxe the cost difference is $100 so not a huge saving really.

Just out of interest does anyone know anything about the Thermaltake Water 3.0 Ultimate CPU Cooler, are they any good worth ago?

 

[JR23]

$5k AUS - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=shopping_cart&sort=20a

Intel i7-5930k
Corsair Dominator Platinum 4x4GB 2666C15
Asus X99 Deluxe
Asus GTX980 Strix x2
Samsung 850 Pro 512GB
Corsair Graphite 780T White
EVGA SuperNOVA 1000W P2
Corsair H110i GT
Noctua NF-P14S Redux 1200RPM x5

There's a little fiddle room, switching out the memory for a cheaper option (Vengeance or HyperX) you could get some more goodies like SSD's. Cooling wise I just put Redux's because they are pretty and I guess Corsair fans and a Fractal S36 would work out at a similar cost, it depends on the urgency and your taste there. I wouldn't recommend push/pull or mixing fans. I still think 980's are well possible if your going as far as $5k, it's not like I skimped on anything else it's all excessively high quality which is what you want for longevity.

I was gonna do a $4k AUS build but it genuinely pains me to recommend getting a 970, infact I can't. I'm pretty sure you can swap 980 to 970 of your own accord.

JR

 

[SPS]

$5k AUS - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=shopping_cart&sort=20a

Intel i7-5930k
Corsair Dominator Platinum 4x4GB 2666C15
Asus X99 Deluxe
Asus GTX980 Strix x2
Samsung 850 Pro 512GB
Corsair Graphite 780T White
EVGA SuperNOVA 1000W P2
Corsair H110i GT
Noctua NF-P14S Redux 1200RPM x5

There's a little fiddle room, switching out the memory for a cheaper option (Vengeance or HyperX) you could get some more goodies like SSD's. Cooling wise I just put Redux's because they are pretty and I guess Corsair fans and a Fractal S36 would work out at a similar cost, it depends on the urgency and your taste there. I wouldn't recommend push/pull or mixing fans. I still think 980's are well possible if your going as far as $5k, it's not like I skimped on anything else it's all excessively high quality which is what you want for longevity.

I was gonna do a $4k AUS build but it genuinely pains me to recommend getting a 970, infact I can't. I'm pretty sure you can swap 980 to 970 of your own accord.

JR

The price of those Doms... I'd drop down to the hyperX and throw a 1TB EVO in there for a bit of fast storage. 512GB seems a little low for a 5k build.

 

[JR23]

The price of those Doms... I'd drop down to the hyperX and throw a 1TB EVO in there for a bit of fast storage. 512GB seems a little low for a 5k build.

Well that's why I said it. Dom's were in the original spec just like the case if it's something you want and your spending the money you just do it. You can't deny that Dom's really set off a motherboard nicely, particularly when flanking a Corsair AIO. I wasn't sure if other storage drives were being re-used or externals/NAS were in the mix. Considering it started with a 256GB it's the right direction. But yeah 1TB SSD's are the way, would still make it an 850 Pro though.

JR

 

[SPS]

Well that's why I said it. Dom's were in the original spec just like the case if it's something you want and your spending the money you just do it. You can't deny that Dom's really set off a motherboard nicely, particularly when flanking a Corsair AIO. I wasn't sure if other storage drives were being re-used or externals/NAS were in the mix. Considering it started with a 256GB it's the right direction. But yeah 1TB SSD's are the way, would still make it an 850 Pro though.

JR

It was more of an agreement with what you said about the price. Dom Plats used to look great but they are the most common among enthusiasts and it's refreshing to see something different tbh. If budget can afford then yeah get some 1TB 850s. The EVO was just a way to get some decent additional storage at an affordable price, not to replace the primary 850.

 

[JR23]

It was more of an agreement with what you said about the price. Dom Plats used to look great but they are the most common among enthusiasts and it's refreshing to see something different tbh. If budget can afford then yeah get some 1TB 850s. The EVO was just a way to get some decent additional storage at an affordable price, not to replace the primary 850.

Very true, it's a shame they didn't refine the spreader a little for DDR4. Their popularity amongst enthusiasts is understandable not many people are rocking fully machined/cast spreaders. The HyperX spreaders look impressive though especially for the cost.

JR

 

[NeverBackDown]

I wouldn't use a 1TB Evo for OS and storage. I have one and it's not the fastest. Maybe a Crucial M550 1TB or the new Mushkin Enhanced Reactor 1TB ssds. Few others out there at 960GB but i'd go for those only if they were that much cheaper.

Remember the Evo is slow. It's when it gives a small boost it's fast, that's what samsung advertise is the boost/max speed. Out of the box it is not enabled and you have to download the samsung software to change that.

 

[SPS]

Very true, it's a shame they didn't refine the spreader a little for DDR4. Their popularity amongst enthusiasts is understandable not many people are rocking fully machined/cast spreaders. The HyperX spreaders look impressive though especially for the cost.

JR

Aye. I have the hyperx ones and they look very cool when used with an AIO block.

I wouldn't use a 1TB Evo for OS and storage. I have one and it's not the fastest. Maybe a Crucial M550 1TB or the new Mushkin Enhanced Reactor 1TB ssds. Few others out there at 960GB but i'd go for those only if they were that much cheaper.

Remember the Evo is slow. It's when it gives a small boost it's fast, that's what samsung advertise is the boost/max speed. Out of the box it is not enabled and you have to download the samsung software to change that.

Like I said the EVO was not supposed to be the primary drive.. No way would I have one as the primary for the cost of this build. They are just good for secondary storage value.

 

[NeverBackDown]

Like I said the EVO was not supposed to be the primary drive.. No way would I have one as the primary for the cost of this build. They are just good for secondary storage value.

I never disagreed.

 

[SPS]

I never disagreed.

I wouldn't use a 1TB Evo for OS and storage.

Sure sounded like it lol

 

[NeverBackDown]

Sure sounded like it lol

That would be agreeing with what you just said..

Os/Storage as in the C drive.. Everything else is whatever

 

[JR23]

Is this just about what we've arrived at then? http://www.pccasegear.com/sc/u67

Intel i7-5930K
Asus X99 Deluxe
Kingston HyperX Predator 4x4GB 2400C12
Asus GTX980 Strix x2
EVGA SuperNOVA 1000W P2
Corsair Graphite 780T White
Corsair H105 [place holder for i GT variants or other AIO]
Corsair SP120 LED White Twin Pack [place holder for fans although matching the standard case fans would save $]

Samsung 850 Pro 512GB x2

or

Samsung 850 Pro 256GB
Samsung 840 Evo 1TB

JR

 

[Kirk]

Hey guys,

Thank you for the good advice and more or less the build, I am good to go with ordering the parts and figured out I can save around $250 to $300 if I buy the graphics cards on Amazon.com, have to buy them separately so I don't get taxed.

I'm pretty sure Il be happy to go with that if that's what you guys recommend, I take it you wouldn't recommend the Rampage V Extreme as you have gone back to the X99 deluxe from my original build post? Interested to hear you thoughts on that?

Pretty much set to order everything apart from the AIO CPU Cooler as I cant get hands on H110i GT till end of Feb and waiting to here about the Kelvin S36. Was wondering any thoughts on the Thermaltake Water 3.0 Ultimate CPU Cooler? I have a few options order everything apart from the CPU Cooler and wait or find a good alternative, I must admit I'm getting inpatient now....

Also this is something that has been bothering me throughout the whole process is PWM fans for using push pull on most AIO Coolers, there aren't all that many LED PWM Fans, and also no SP140 with PWM, so what is the way around it? Do you depending on the AIO use the originals on one fan header and the 3 pin fans on a separate fan header? I know the motherboard supports fan control on 3 pin with voltage adjustment.

 

[JR23]

Sounds like a significant saving, just be mindful of how it may effect returning a product in the event it develops a fault. I know that's something you don't want to think about dealing with but if/when it happens minimum aggravation and down-time is most important. Shop around for everything though.

If your a pro overclocker and all of the extreme features benefit you go for the Rampage but I don't think it fits in as well with the rest of the build and it doesn't really deliver anything more. Even if your a pretty keen overclocker the Deluxe still has the OC-Socket and if I remember the OC3D tests rightly faired very well. If audio is a big consideration then external headphone amps are the way to go anyway.

Recommending thermaltacky products on OC3D isn't really the done thing but as it looks like a standard OEM asetek unit it's probably alright. Not good, not Kelvin/Corsair quality but just alright. I personally couldn't stand to look at the thermaltacky logo right in the centre of my rig after spending $5k. The top and bottom is if your getting to the impatient stage then the H105 is probably the best all round option sitting on the shelf right now for you. If you want to wait it out a little I think the Kelvin is the way to go, it's a nicely built good looking thing with an Alphacool rad. Plus you can fiddle with the pipes or fittings if you feel like it and it's probably the best performing AIO you can get or even that will fit in your rig.

The way around it is to plug the pump in (if it's a 3-pin) to the CPU_FAN header and then put the rad fans into splitters and then control them with CHA_FAN headers dependant on CPU temperature. Or if your rad is big enough and you don't overclock too hard just plug them all into molex adapters at 5v or 7v and run them at a fixed speed. Exactly what fans and radiator i'd recommend really depends on how much you want to rage overclocks.

JR

 

[Kirk]

Sweet thanks,

To be honest the Kelvin S36 is what I am after should be getting an email from Fractal this next week with more info.

I'm ready to order now then other the CPU cooler, although I'm in to minds to wait for the cooler and get everything together.

Anyways you guys have been an awesome help

 

[JR23]

Have you got an old cooler you can strap on just to test with/run stock for a little while?

I would start getting everything you can while it's sitting on the shelf and it will give you a little more time to deal with any problems or difficulties. Even without a CPU cooler there's still loads of stuff to do and you will probably need another order of little bits even if they are just screws/cables/adapters/an extra fan and such. I always buy things once i've decided asap because having something in my hands might make me think I could really use something else or xxx part isn't going to fit as I thought. I can't see you running into many obstacles because it's pretty conventional but you never know.

JR