need to upgrade..

[Dang3r0us]

hello,

i'm new in this forum hope the post is in the right section.

i need to update my pc

thinking of getting a cpu I7 3770K and MSI gaming mobo.
waiting on release dates or would i need to wait for the new cpu and new mobos? i think new release was in 2 months if i'm right?

lemme know

i have h60 watercooler
8 gb ddr3... going to get 2 x 8 gb ram from crosair
i have the xpredator case 2 x240mm fan added 5 x 140mm fans

hope you guys can give me some info mainly i'll use it to game and movie making

grtz

Dang3r0us

 

[NeverBackDown]

Welcome to the forums!

What exactly is your budget and is the movie making software use CUDA or OpenCL or both? This will judge the graphics card you need for your software.

 

[alpenwasser]

Hi there, and welcome!

MSI's Z77 lineup is pretty good, I myself have the MSI Z77A-GD65 and am quite happy with it (so far ).

For movie editing the i7 is not a bad choice. If you intend to do some serious overclocks, a more powerful cooler might be advisable (possibly a H100i).

Regarding Haswell: Pretty much all info on Haswell's performance is purely speculative at this point. If you're patient and don't need the upgrade right now, you can wait for it.

However, I very much doubt that it will be such a grand improvement that you'll be pulling your hair out for not having waited if you go for a 3770k setup now.

Corsair RAM is a good choice. I don't know how much RAM movie processing requires/uses, so possibly 4 x 8 GB might be useful for that scenario, but that's for you to know.

Questions: PSU? SSD? HDD? GPU? Budget?

 

[Dang3r0us]

i never talk about budget
i willing to pay i'm EURO man wanted to get the maximus board 350 euro
so msi will do it perfectly for me because i'm not so good at overclocking and the OC II thing on msi seems good for me.

for gpu i think of going to 1 x 670 or 1 x 680 but heard the 680 is overpriced and isn't much better then the 670.. but dunno haha

i'm gonna start with 2x8 Gb because thinking of getting the dominators or vengeance or something like that
2 veng... is 115 euro or something like it the domi... 160/180euro
and to begin arround 100 euro for ddr3 is enough
then 3770K is also 300 euro msi mobo 150-200 waiting for price of the new gaming mobo and hope its not 300+ because then the ROG could be better for the price

tbh i don't know i use the adobe prog but it's gone from pc atm so ill find a new "free" one
as for cooler thinking of going for air flow again because of my case with 7 fans + 1 fan @ back then and 1 air blow fan for cpu cooling will give me 8 fans and cpu cooler dunno lemme know

 

[alpenwasser]

Wow that has to be the smiliest post I've ever read :lol:

Anyway:

• CPU Cooler: For air cooling I can recommend the Noctua NH-D14 or the NZXT Havik.
• GPU: Both the 670 and the 680 are not exactly cheap. 670 in two-way SLI is (usually) a lot more powerful than one 680, but also a lot more expensive. Where I live, the Radeon 7000 series are quite a bit better price/performance-wise, so I also recommend looking at both the 7950 and the 7970. Especially the 7950 has great performance for its price, and you could also run them in Crossfire. I suggest looking at some benchmarks for the stuff you want to run on it, also looking up SLI and Crossfire benches, checking out prices and then making a decision. Oh and yes, an overclocked 670 comes very close to a 680. Although you can of course still overclock a 680 and get a decent performance gap again.
• This is assuming you don't need CUDA, of course.

 

[NeverBackDown]

If you are using adobe products then Nvidia is the way to go for CUDA cores. A 670 is the better option. A MSI GD65 will be perfect for you but the "auto" OC on any board is crap so best to do it yourself.

 

[alpenwasser]

If you are using adobe products then Nvidia is the way to go for CUDA cores. A 670 is the better option. A MSI GD65 will be perfect for you but the "auto" OC on any board is crap so best to do it yourself.

Good to know. Don't work with Adobe stuff a lot where I live (Linux/*BSD) :lol:

In light of that information I would also recommend a 670. Also concur on the auto OC feature. It usually drives the voltage up too high for the overclock it gets you in my experience. Manual tweaking gets better results, and on the 1155 platform it really is not very difficult.

 

[NeverBackDown]

I only know it uses Cuda because someone else said it in another thread we both were in recently lol

Always manual OC never let the computer do it. I tries to be very conservative but yet it does so much it actually makes it worse.

 

[alpenwasser]

I only know it uses Cuda because someone else said it in another thread we both were in recently lol

Ah yeah, right, now I remember! Bloody Swiss Cheese memory of mine :lol:

I once let my Asus board (P8P67) auto-overclock my 2600k. Took it up to 3.7 GHz on 1.38 V if I recall correctly (been a few months, might be wrong on the Voltage, but I recall being shocked ).

 

[alienware]

Ah yeah, right, now I remember! Bloody Swiss Cheese memory of mine :lol:

I once let my Asus board (P8P67) auto-overclock my 2600k. Took it up to 3.7 GHz on 1.38 V if I recall correctly (been a few months, might be wrong on the Voltage, but I recall being shocked ).

lmao Asus boards love to overvolt.

I had a M3A32-MVP quadfire AM2+ board and it would give me enough volts on auto to run a 3.8ghz overclock :lol:

The CPU was stock @ 3ghz and 3.8ghz was the highest I could get it to stable in Prime. Hilarious that. I dropped the volts to the stock voltage for my CPU and my temps dropped by 10c :lol:

 

[Dang3r0us]

well maybe ill need to ask a friend of me that works in a pc shop if the auto clock thing isn't good then maybe he can do it for me so i don't do anything wrong he sayd the new cpu's when its on turbo the 4 cores work as 1 and he can overclock the turbo to 4.6 easily dunno.. but the msi OC II isn't good then?

going for the 670 i guess and OC it with the msi afterburner thing.

 

[alienware]

It's always better to do the overclocking yourself.

Auto OC 'genies' or whatever they call them will use failsafe voltages which are usually very high.

 

[alpenwasser]

It's always better to do the overclocking yourself.

Auto OC 'genies' or whatever they call them will use failsafe voltages which are usually very high.

^^^This. Since every CPU is different for overclocking, programming/building a tool which only uses optimal voltages for the desired overclock would probably just add too much to the price.

The mainboard would have to test the specific CPU it's using many times (same as you do it manually: Set overclock and a voltage you think should work, if it works, reduce voltage etc.) and run a massive battery of tests to see if everything is still working as it should. It would be quite a complex tool and therefore not cheap.

It's certainly possible to create something like that, but I don't think we are likely to see one in practice in the next few years. There are just too many variables at play when overclocking a CPU to make this practical for the foreseeable future. This does not just go for MSI, but for any other brand as well.

If you have a friend who will do the overclocking for you then that is a much better alternative.

 

[Dang3r0us]

well what mobo would be good then?
because i was going for msi for the overclock genie II so maybe ill go ASUS? because that guy gets the parts of asus cheap but needs to be bit nice

 

[alienware]

MSI Z77A G45 is a fantastic board (I've got one) due to its entry level price yet firmly mid ranged DNA.

It has SATA III USB3 and supports SLI and Crossfire. It will also perform the same in overclocking as the more expensive models.

If you're not on a tight budget I would recommend the Mpower. I don't use one but they are very pretty boards known for their overclocking prowess.

 

[alpenwasser]

The MSI Z77A-GD65 is a fantastic board, I'd still recommend it (at least for regular prices). If you can get an Asus board for cheaps, sure why not, but I don't have their lineup in my head at the moment. The GD65 I have personally and can recommend it from my own experiences. I presume the GD55 and GD45 are great as well.

 

[Dang3r0us]

my friend doesn't do MSI so maybe gimme some ASUS boards that are good i know the maximus are good gaming motherboards but there bit high in price..

maximus V formula is more water cooling thing i guess? not for normal usage?
i see water connecting parts.. or the ASUS P8Z77 WS??

 

[alienware]

I hope that Asus doesn't have to go back......

My second choice after MSI would be Gigabyte tbh. I really like some of the stuff Asus make I just can't get my head around their non existent customer care.

 

[alpenwasser]

Well, if you really want to go with Asus (as AlienALX said, customer care leaves a bit to be desired from time to time, but my experiences with the products themselves have been good), I'd look at the Asus P8Z77-V, Asus P8Z77-V PRO and the Z77 Sabertooth.

I'm not very familiar with either of them, but the Sabertooth line is generally pretty high quality and performance for the price, and I've so far been happy with my P8P67 board. I recommend reading up some reviews to see if one of them is something you would like. I've chosen these three because they are similarly priced to the GD65 and the MPower.

 

[NeverBackDown]

Your "friend" should know that OC'ing from each different brand is not a massive difference and generally speaking use the same terminology. Even a simple google search will give you all your answers.