MSI GTX 1080 Ti Lightning Review
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AlienALX
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Because humans are a fickle lot and we want better graphics all of the time. This is why 3DRealms did not release Duke Nukem Forever. Because every time they got it up to scratch graphically another new engine came out. They wanted it to look the best, so rewrote most of the code numerous times.
With Indie games graphics don't matter so much. On a £50 A+ title people want to see advances and improvements in visuals. Graphics settle after a new console releases, but there is always a major upheaval when consoles change and the initial load of games run like crap.
Not being funny but if I was paying £1300 a year for a GPU I would expect to see massive improvements.
For about a week. Then they realised they were getting slapped stupid by the 4000 series Radeons and soon had a change of heart.
Yes there have been numerous "silly" cards (like the 8800 Ultra) that have cost $700 or more but there used to be an enthusiast product right under it (like the 8800 GTX) that pretty much did the same thing.
So by that logic a Titan Xp should cost $700 and the 1080 should cost about half of that.
AlienALX
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No, but as I said electronic goods usually become cheaper as time passes. Early 80s microwaves cost a month's salary or more. Now? you can get one for about twenty five quid.
Nvidia started it all with the Titan. Then AMD figured they would charge Nvidia cash for the Fury X (over £500, a new record from AMD apart from the dual core 7990 and 295 which was a grand !) and it's not changed much since.
Thats because they havnt really changed for years. we are talking about brand new tech that costs millions / hundreds of millions to do the background work on.
AlienALX
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/Devil's advocate
So what about Pascal, which was nothing but a shrunken Maxwell and they make two Titan X in that series?
Even if we took one of the most expensive GPUs in Nvidia history (The 8800 Ultra, $700 or so) then why are we paying almost £600 more for the same level of GPU?
I wouldn't be quite so annoyed if mining had not pretty much bum shagged the "enthusiast" range of GPUs but companies like OCUK are charging £450 for a 580. Which is ridiculous.
It wasnt the SAME though was it.
End of the day its a business, sure we would love to say stuff should be cheaper but basing your prices on a product thats a decade old is a little off.
So you wouldnt be so annoyed if it wasnt for retailers? Im lost now. One minute its Nvidia now youre shifting it to OCUK?
Unless youre trying to buy a 580 atm I think youre wasting your time.
End of the day its a business, sure we would love to say stuff should be cheaper but basing your prices on a product thats a decade old is a little off.
So you wouldnt be so annoyed if it wasnt for retailers? Im lost now. One minute its Nvidia now youre shifting it to OCUK?
Unless youre trying to buy a 580 atm I think youre wasting your time.
Kaapstad
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Thing is GPUs are becoming cheaper all the time.
If you got a GTX 980 when it first launched it would have cost you the best part of £500, if you want the same performance now you buy a GTX 1060 for a lot less.
AngryGoldfish
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Pascal may appear to be nothing more than Maxwell shrunken down, but we don't know how much that process cost or what was required to hit the ridiculous clock speeds. And while the chip sizes are relatively small, we don't know how much they are costing to produce, not precisely. The 1080Ti has 11GB of memory. That's enormous and likely costs a great deal. We can stipulate that Pascal was not a true architectural leap and thus shouldn't cost very much, but we simply don't know for sure what went into Pascal. And we don't even know if it was planned from the beginning. It may not have been listed on their initial roadmap, but that doesn't mean Nvidia hadn't conceived the idea. Maybe they were first testing to see whether it was going to be possible or whether they should just go straight to Volta. Whatever the case it's just stipulation. Nvidia's prices are due to a multitude of reasons, not just greed.
AlienALX
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Yes but a lot of time has passed since the 980 launched. The 980 was pee taking prices too. 970 was OK though, but look at the prices of the 1070 compared to the 970 lol.
The more you excuse it the more it will happen. That's about all I have to say really. That is what they want.
Korreborg
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But you can't blame Nvidia for the mining or retailer greed or low value of the pound or inflation. The list is long.
A 280 launch at 650$ and a 1080 launch at 599$.
Inflation wise the price should be more than 650$ so the price is actually going down.
But if you are so mad at Nvidia, why do you then have a titan, when you can get more or less the same in a Ti?
A 280 launch at 650$ and a 1080 launch at 599$.
Inflation wise the price should be more than 650$ so the price is actually going down.
But if you are so mad at Nvidia, why do you then have a titan, when you can get more or less the same in a Ti?
AngryGoldfish
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Titan has better resale value.
Korreborg
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Okay, also on value loss?
In Denmark, so don't know how the uk marked its. But in january when i sold my 780ti, the price difference on 780ti and Titan was maybe 15-35 pounds = The % loss was a lot bigger on a Titan.
AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
He didn't pay full price for his Titan. I can't remember what he paid but it wasn't that much considering what they cost at launch and how well they hold their value. He'll obviously lose money on it like anyone would, but maybe not as much as the Ti. I don't know.
AlienALX
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I paid £675. Fully boxed with all of the paperwork. Less than a 1080Ti, basically.
I paid £460 for a Titan XM 14 months ago and sold it for £300 (after shipping, I charged £325 or so).
So I lost £160 in 14 months, that isn't bad going, and only had to find £375 out of my own pocket for the TXP.
In fact, the more I think about it the more I realise just how long it has been since I bought a GPU new from a retailer. My TXM was used, my TXP was used, my Fury X was used also. I *think* the last time I bought any new GPUs was two Titan Blacks that I paid £699 each for brand new. That was nearly three years ago, IIRC.
I paid £460 for a Titan XM 14 months ago and sold it for £300 (after shipping, I charged £325 or so).
So I lost £160 in 14 months, that isn't bad going, and only had to find £375 out of my own pocket for the TXP.
In fact, the more I think about it the more I realise just how long it has been since I bought a GPU new from a retailer. My TXM was used, my TXP was used, my Fury X was used also. I *think* the last time I bought any new GPUs was two Titan Blacks that I paid £699 each for brand new. That was nearly three years ago, IIRC.
