Kaapstad
Active member
1080 Ti does not beat an old Pascal Titan or the newer Titan Xp.
I own all the above cards.
MSI GTX 1080 Ti Lightning Review
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1080 Ti does not beat an old Pascal Titan or the newer Titan Xp.
I own all the above cards.
AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
You don't need to own a GPU to be able to have a solid idea of its performance. Otherwise this site would likely not exist, not in its current form.
The 1080Ti is within a small margin of the Titan XP, and with factory overclocks from AIB partners the 1080Ti is as fast as or beats the original Titan XP. If your findings are different, that's fine, but that's not the findings I go by.
Maybe they should, yes, but the Titan XP was such an expensive powerhouse when it came out that some did not expect even Nvidia would match or beat it with the 1080Ti.
TheF34RChannel
New member
You're right that it's more of a match rather than beating it, I shouldn't have claimed that.
Kaapstad
Active member
It is not just my results that I go by. I keep score of a large number of results on another forum and the Titan old and new consistently beats out the 1080 ti.
Having said that if we are talking value for money in a gaming context then I would recommend the 1080 Ti every time.
AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
I thought maybe you'd post some findings proving your point since you disagreed with mine, which is backed up by data spread across the Internet freely available to quote. I need to see what your results are, otherwise I can only go by tech websites. Example:
The second website I went to was Guru3D (I first visited TPU but they did not have Titan XP benchmarks listed in the way I needed), and The Witcher III was the first benchmark I clicked on. The 1080Ti FE beats the Titan XP. However, the Titan XP is obviously using older drivers which might explain the performance you are referring to. But I have that partially explained.
As you can see below, the Titan XP hasn't increased in performance in the six months between when the Titan XP and when the 1080Ti (and more specifically the MSI Lightning 1080Ti) were benched. Likely because it's not been tested again and the numbers are being reused. I hate that but that's not much anyone could do about it.
(Recent drivers)
(Older drivers)
But drivers for the 1080 haven't improved performance by a considerable amount as shown below so why would the Titan XP? Note the boost clock of the FE 1080 in the below image.
Now note the boost clock of the Aorus 1080 that was reviewed last month. It's considerably higher. It also has a substantial memory overclock from the factory.
Now note the score in Rise of the Tomb Raider for the original FE 1080 review and the more recent Aorus 1080 review with recent driver updates. It goes from 100 FPS to 110. That performance benefit can mostly be attributed to the 140Mhz additional boost the Aorus achieves over the FE 1080 and the 11Gbps memory overclock from the factory. Only a small amount can be attributed to drivers. This suggests drivers have not improved performance dramatically for Pascal. It has only been marginal in a game like RotTR.
My point is, while this is not definitive information, it's all I have to go by. I can't afford to buy every fancy new graphics card that comes out. According to the findings of Guru3D (again, second site I went to, first benchmark I clicked on), the 1080Ti is within margin of error of the Titan XP. You corrected me by saying, "1080 Ti does not beat an old Pascal Titan or the newer Titan Xp." But according to the only results I have available to me (without scouring OCN or other forums), the 1080Ti DOES beat the Titan XP, and that's without the AIB partner factory overclocks, or more specifically GPU Boost 3.0 overclocks.
But really does it matter? Why did you even bother correcting me since the point was not that the 1080Ti BEAT the Titan XP but that it came within such a close margin and regularly stood strong against it that it shocked a lot of gamers. That's the point. Correcting me just seemed pedantic, or maybe an attempt to prove your worth when you've given me no reason to trust you over anyone else. That isn't meant to offend. I'm pointing out what I've said about others. Don't just tell me how I'm wrong when I'm not an idiot. I don't just pluck numbers from my a**hole. There is data there. If you have different data that disproves it, prove it.
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Kaapstad
Active member
You really should not believe all you read on some of these review sites.
Here is my little air cooled Titan Xp running stock volts, stock bios and quite old drivers.
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/29782421/
Lots of the other cards in the table are water cooled, overvolted or even use custom bios.
My score was the first one I got without any real effort.
People who know me on this forum know I could post loads of more links showing how well the Titan Xp perform. They win every time in bench threads against the 1080 Ti so much so that it is boring and pointless to use them.
The downside for the Titan Xp is they are not good value for money and in a gaming context people are going to get better VFM with a 1080 Ti.
AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
I wasn't talking about the Titan Xp (little 'p'), I was talking about Titan X Pascal. I know the Titan Xp (little 'p') is more powerful than the 1080Ti in both benchmarks and games. I always said Titan XP (big 'P'). And according to your results the 1080Ti and the Titan XP (original from August 2016) are roughly the same performance. That is my point.
I'm not going to stop paying attention to reviewers. They are just one piece of the puzzle.
I'm not going to stop paying attention to reviewers. They are just one piece of the puzzle.
Kaapstad
Active member
Check that link again, the old Titan XP also beats out the 1080 Ti consistently.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
In a few of the other game benchmark threads the 1080 Ti is ahead, Only a few though.
AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
I count multiple times the 1080Ti beating the Titan XP in GFX score. But that is still besides the point. The point again is, they are all within spitting distance of each other.
TheF34RChannel
New member
Ultimately, it doesn't really matter. Both are excellent cards within their respective range, with the Titan being the worst possible value, but an excellent cheap Quadro substitute for those who can get by with it (I don't really regard it as a gaming card). The one thing I never understood was Nvidia not allowing custom coolers & PCB on their Titan cards, basically holding them back.
Kaapstad
Active member
Most times the Titan comes out on top.
Wat? XP and Xp? Titan X Pascal and Titan X what? You are talking about the same card here.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
Both the Pascal based Titan X and Titan Xp are 2 different cards.
Titan X has 3560 CUDA cores.
Titan Xp has 3840 CUDA cores.
LOL way to confuse your customers... NVIDIA only lists the Xp on their website as I have seen now from 10 seconds of checking. It also only says TITAN X on its case. Stupid me always thought both cards were the same *facepalm*
//EDIT: Oh I see, the Xp came when they threw the 11 GBit/s models on the market, right?
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Dicehunter
Resident Newb
The Titan X which had 3560 CUDA core and 10Gbps memory stopped being sold once the full fat GP102 core with 11Gbps memory was released on the market hence why they just kept the same name for the product and on the site but added a small "p" to the naming scheme.
Nvidia didn't send review samples out to people so anyone wanting to review it would have had to buy it themselves.
AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
Yeah, it's really confusing. And while I don't want to speak for others I would have been annoyed to have bought a Titan XP (the original from August last year) to have it firstly replaced by a cheaper 1080Ti (though that was predicted) but secondly and more importantly have it completely replaced by what the GPU should have been in the first place, a GPU with the name is should have had.
Korreborg
Member
The problem is not with Nvidia, but it's the reviewers who started calling it XP, when it's not the name 
And I don't get the annoyed part. It's been like that every time. And it's like that in IT. Wait 6 month, and there will probably be something better at the market. I would be more annoyed with buying a new generation of cpu, and it's already 20% cheaper.
And I don't get the annoyed part. It's been like that every time. And it's like that in IT. Wait 6 month, and there will probably be something better at the market. I would be more annoyed with buying a new generation of cpu, and it's already 20% cheaper.
