Dicehunter
Resident Newb
It's a different story on the desktop bud.
Desktop side it's fine, The only errors I've come across on the desktop are user errors.
Can't speak for the laptop as I don't own one.
Microsoft will not support upcoming CPUs on Windows 7 or 8.1
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It's a different story on the desktop bud.
Desktop side it's fine, The only errors I've come across on the desktop are user errors.
Can't speak for the laptop as I don't own one.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Do a fresh install or don't bother upgrading. I don't see why people complain about it not working when upgrading and then never doing a fresh install.
It does have an approximate data use meter btw. You even try to look? Only takes 3 clicks to get there.
For laptops i've had no issues either that was not due to my own fault. All that is missing is a trackpad driver and you are unable to scroll using the trackpad but after installing one it's perfectly fine. The SP3 is the only one I have had not had to install a trackpad driver for as it uses the default windows one.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
Doomslayer
New member
Windows 8.1 is very flexible i have mine setup like Windows 7 atm, I'm not really a fan of the Charm bar when you have a Dual Monitor setup i just found the charm bar to annoying.
I agree with you about Windows 10 i was having issues with Windows 10 downgraded back to Windows 8.1 and the problems are gone.
Dawelio
Active member
Isn't that the whole point of "upgrading to Windows 10"?... To just simply upgrade and NOT having to actually wipe everything clean and install it once AGAIN, to get it work "properly"?.
Plus, I don't recall Microsoft actually telling/recommending anyone to actually do a fresh install, once upgraded. Or did they?...
Poor (insert correct word), if you actually have to reinstall the OS once you've upgraded it, otherwise it's unstable.
I am not sure about this, so correct me if I'm wrong, but has this ever happened in the past, with previous OS's?... Anyone? :huh:...
Kinda looses the whole purpose of "upgrading" in my opinion then...
Isn't that just your own opinion or what makes it the "greatest"?... If it were, wouldn't everybody switch to it and NOT switch back to 7/8? :mellow:
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Isn't that because they don't really have a choice?... You can't really buy a prebuilt system with for example Windows 8?. So it's not really a "choosing" here, if you get what I mean?...
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Dicehunter
Resident Newb
Windows 10 from a technical standpoint is the most superior to date though as it makes much better use of multi core CPU's, Frame times are slightly better, DX12 support etc etc...
Other than some compatibility with older devices or older software there isn't any reason not to switch to 10
Dawelio
Active member
;890298 said:Windows 10 from a technical standpoint is the most superior to date though as it makes much better use of multi core CPU's, Frame times are slightly better, DX12 support etc etc...
Other than some compatibility with older devices or older software there isn't any reason not to switch to 10
That may be true and I'm not really saying anything here, I'm just trying to point out what you say from a different perspective.
I do believe there must be some superior advantages to Windows 10 over previous versions. Why would they otherwise release it, if it were just the same as something already existing?...
That would be to throw money in the water.
Xploited Titan
New member
For your info, this is one of the few cases where Microsoft dropped the ball.
They unlocked Win 10 upgrade before releasing the firmware that would make it work. So, I understand the guy is traumatised, although it's over now.
My only suggestion to have a worry free win 10 experience is to do a clean install. Once done, it will be such a nice experience. I don't regret the switch.
jimma47
New member
I can see why they're doing it and I agree with it as well.
Forcing them to provide support for old systems for new CPUs would be like making Bugatti spend money to get your Veyron to run on 91 octane leaded petrol because my old Alfa used it and they both have steering wheels so they should be the same for everyone. It just doesn't make sense from a business perspective. Typically new hardware will go with a new OS in a prebuilt PC/notebook/tablet device.
I can keep XP and 7 on their original systems but if I go Kaby Lake or the next big chip from AMD then I'll only be able to use Win 10 if I choose to use a windows environment.
Fine with me. I paid somewhere around $130 for W7 about five years ago and it's now Win10. Despite some teething issues when I first upgraded = That's still pretty good.
It's quite clear MS have the goal of only developing and supporting for win10 and up (when that happens) hence the free upgrade offers and the cut off for older system support. We just need to accept it.
Forcing them to provide support for old systems for new CPUs would be like making Bugatti spend money to get your Veyron to run on 91 octane leaded petrol because my old Alfa used it and they both have steering wheels so they should be the same for everyone. It just doesn't make sense from a business perspective. Typically new hardware will go with a new OS in a prebuilt PC/notebook/tablet device.
I can keep XP and 7 on their original systems but if I go Kaby Lake or the next big chip from AMD then I'll only be able to use Win 10 if I choose to use a windows environment.
Fine with me. I paid somewhere around $130 for W7 about five years ago and it's now Win10. Despite some teething issues when I first upgraded = That's still pretty good.
It's quite clear MS have the goal of only developing and supporting for win10 and up (when that happens) hence the free upgrade offers and the cut off for older system support. We just need to accept it.
AlienALX
Well-known member
Windows 7 really does look like dog droppings now.
I had to install Windows 7 on an old laptop recently and why you would dig your heels in over something that looks so old is a mystery to me.
I always find it funny when I see people running Win 7 on the most cutting edge hardware. Why would you do that? you've got the hardware, update your OS!
I had to install Windows 7 on an old laptop recently and why you would dig your heels in over something that looks so old is a mystery to me.
I always find it funny when I see people running Win 7 on the most cutting edge hardware. Why would you do that? you've got the hardware, update your OS!
Dawelio
Active member
If we need to accept this, why not just simply go iron hand on this anyway?..
And say, everyone needs to go Windows 10, or you'll brick your older PCs.
This is just a simpler way of Microsoft saying that "we have the control and you losers don't have a choice really".
Quite an easy answer to that mate... Or atleast one answer.
Maybe I don't want to go through the hassle of reinstalling everything?... Cause that is what they are basically asking of you.
Not just upgrading, cause that would keep your stuff I imagine?... But you then ALSO have to do a fresh install, JUST go get it to work "properly" apparently...
Then it's not really just an "upgrade" is it?...
That is just more hassle than needed. If you need to do a fresh install after upgrading like you all say, otherwise it may not work properly... Then how can you sit here and say "it's the greates OS yet"?.
I would only say that if EVERYTHING with something worked... that includes the transition/installing to it as well.
I don't think Volvo are the best cars, I don't think any brand is. I think that Volvo may be the safest cars in the world though... Cause none will ever be the best, cause every car has it's own flaws.
So personally, this is just my own personal view, I don't think saying "it's the greatest OS ever" justifies it... Cause it's plainly not. Cause some hassle comes with it... And therefore it ain't the greatest. It may be a good, user friendly OS, powerful etc. But not greatest... That is an overstatement. In my eyes atleast.
And I'm not trying to convince anyone here, just taking what you said and putting it into another/my perspective.
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AlienALX
Well-known member
Total BS.
I don't get that sort of attitude at all.
Firstly, why on earth would you want to be running an OS that's knocking on ten years old and looks like it's ten years old? Why would you not want your very latest cutting edge hardware running on a crusty old OS when you can have a new, massively improved one for free?
With Apple whenever they release a new OS/iOS people are well chuffed. They can't wait to upgrade to try all of the new features.
Secondly, have you actually considered the sodding logistics of rewriting a kernel that's donkey's years old and the cost/implications?
It's serious headaches.
Windows 7 does not natively support any more than four cores. Windows XP only ever natively supported two cores. As much as Microsoft tried to make it different they either couldn't, or it was insurmountable. As such you needed to use all sorts of hacks (core parking) or if you were on AMD simply face the fact that your CPU was never going to work properly.
Here we are, years later, and Microsoft are offering out something for free with absolutely no strings attached and people are whining about it and thinking it's some sort of conspiracy.
Doomslayer
New member
Total BS.
I don't get that sort of attitude at all.
Firstly, why on earth would you want to be running an OS that's knocking on ten years old and looks like it's ten years old? Why would you not want your very latest cutting edge hardware running on a crusty old OS when you can have a new, massively improved one for free?
With Apple whenever they release a new OS/iOS people are well chuffed. They can't wait to upgrade to try all of the new features.
Secondly, have you actually considered the sodding logistics of rewriting a kernel that's donkey's years old and the cost/implications?
It's serious headaches.
Windows 7 does not natively support any more than four cores. Windows XP only ever natively supported two cores. As much as Microsoft tried to make it different they either couldn't, or it was insurmountable. As such you needed to use all sorts of hacks (core parking) or if you were on AMD simply face the fact that your CPU was never going to work properly.
Here we are, years later, and Microsoft are offering out something for free with absolutely no strings attached and people are whining about it and thinking it's some sort of conspiracy.
Back in the day people didn't want to upgrade from Windows XP to Windows 7, The only reason why Microsoft is doing this is cause they don't want another Windows XP on there hands, So there forcing people to upgrade and as i have said they shouldn't be forcing people to do it, People should have a choice.
Windows 10 has done some dodgy things over the last few months, bye installing itself on to systems when people have said NO to the upgrade and then it bugs you like 5 mins later again to do the upgrade.
Dawelio
Active member
Total BS.
I don't get that sort of attitude at all.
Firstly, why on earth would you want to be running an OS that's knocking on ten years old and looks like it's ten years old? Why would you not want your very latest cutting edge hardware running on a crusty old OS when you can have a new, massively improved one for free?
With Apple whenever they release a new OS/iOS people are well chuffed. They can't wait to upgrade to try all of the new features.
Secondly, have you actually considered the sodding logistics of rewriting a kernel that's donkey's years old and the cost/implications?
It's serious headaches.
Windows 7 does not natively support any more than four cores. Windows XP only ever natively supported two cores. As much as Microsoft tried to make it different they either couldn't, or it was insurmountable. As such you needed to use all sorts of hacks (core parking) or if you were on AMD simply face the fact that your CPU was never going to work properly.
Here we are, years later, and Microsoft are offering out something for free with absolutely no strings attached and people are whining about it and thinking it's some sort of conspiracy.
As I said, why I would be wanna running an 10 year old software?... Cause it works.
Why would you spend money on a new car, if your already exisiting works?.
With Apple it's more of an you need to... Or atleast eventually. Eventually you have to upgrade it, or it will upgrade itself. (If I recall correctly? :huh: Correct me if I'm wrong...)
And I don't really compare iOS with an OS like Microsoft. In my eyes it's like comparing the sun to Earth.
No strings attached?... Obviously it is. Why would a youtuber like Barnacules otherwise specifically make a "privacy" video on just Windows 10, if no strings attached?.
And you got a year untill you have to pay for it... No strings attached? - Yeah right.
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barnsley
born in a.....
P*ss off microsoft, Windows 10 is still nowhere near good enough. If this was after a couple of years of updating it, then I'd be more understanding. Now though? This is waay too early. Most places have only really switched over from XP in the last year and a half or so..
The client PCs at my work all use Windows 7 and we plan to stick with it until the end of service for many reasons. I really don't think that limiting people to using previous gen hardware was a good idea on Microsoft's part. IIRC that never happened with XP while it was still supported, right?
That said I don't care as all we'll do is keep buying Haswell refresh systems. I'd imagine its going to be harder for design studios who want to get powerful hardware with a decent, reliable OS (it'll take many years for 10 to be like that ). Atleast all I have to worry about is whether it can run the Office suite or not.
This is too early for this crap.
The client PCs at my work all use Windows 7 and we plan to stick with it until the end of service for many reasons. I really don't think that limiting people to using previous gen hardware was a good idea on Microsoft's part. IIRC that never happened with XP while it was still supported, right?
That said I don't care as all we'll do is keep buying Haswell refresh systems. I'd imagine its going to be harder for design studios who want to get powerful hardware with a decent, reliable OS (it'll take many years for 10 to be like that
). Atleast all I have to worry about is whether it can run the Office suite or not.This is too early for this crap.
:banghead: How have you missed the multiple times people (and microsoft themselves) have said its a free for life upgrade. I'm pretty sure you've been told it on here before as well...
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AlienALX
Well-known member
If you bought a Bugatti Veyron would you run it on old leaded fuel?
As for the privacy thing? go put on your tinfoil hat dude it sounds like you need it.
KOOS - yes those were the same people using XP who refused to upgrade to Windows 7 that then upgraded to Windows 7 and are now refusing to upgrade to Windows 10 because they are still foolish.
And they'll be the same people who switch to Windows 10 and then say "Wow this is amazing best OS M$ have ever made thx m8 gr8" just like they did when they switched from 8-XP, XP-7 etc.
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Doomslayer
New member
Why can't people understand that some people don't want to upgrade cause there comfortable with the OS it works they way they want it to work, Some people are happy running an OS. For businesses good luck to Microsoft trying to get them to upgrade.
To some people they don't want to run the "latest and so called greatest" OS.
barnsley
born in a.....
Nah, there are legitimately some programs that just don't work on 10 yet. I've gone to 10 twice on my main rig and each time its been a less stable and reliable experience than 8.1 has been. This is a fresh install I'm talking about too. Don't paint everyone with the same brush.
I have got it running on my laptop semi-reliably now and I still don't see what people like about 10. It really just feels like a riced version of my 8.1. Albeit Microsoft have more control over things that you do to it.
AlienALX
Well-known member
Why? why on earth would you want to run cutting edge modern hardware on a ten year old operating system?
Please explain to me why you would want to miss out on proper support for your hardware, modern features (such as proper 4k scaling on desktop support that 7 doesn't have) and so on? why would you want to derp your CPU by running an OS that does not work with it properly?
That ^ is the mentality I don't get.
And hilariously, as I have already pointed out, these are the very same people who slagged off Windows 7 when it came out, threw a hissy fit and refused to upgrade from XP. Yet, here they are as I type this whining about Windows 10 saying that Windows 7 is the best ever ETC.
Now look, I can understand why people got their knickers in a twist when M$ said that after about ten years they were ending support for XP because Windows 7 wasn't cheap. So at least then they had a valid point (though let's be honest some of them didn't pay anything for it as they stole it)
And I can kinda get why you would not want to switch from 7 to 8 (even though for the first few weeks it was as cheap as dirt) because 8 looked weird and was crap until IObits made a proper start button for it, but in every other aspect Windows 8 was so much better on modern hardware than 7.
But now? they are offering it completely free of charge. I just don't get the "dig your heels in" mentality. At all.
It's like buying a modern car with all of the new cutting edge tech and saying "Please replace the modern EFI engine with an old carburetor based engine that wastes fuel"
Doomslayer
New member
It's simple why should we be pushed to something we don't want as i have said it should be a choice, Dude you're not going to change my Opinion or Point of View on this.
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