Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge-E

[JMMP]

personally I am an enthusiast, and all modern games out,run pretty good on my P4, so I really wasn't discussing my view with gaming in mind. If I was gonna build a mostly gamming machine I would buy a 2500K really cheap in a few months(which is still overkill),but it is the first unlocked CPU intel makes(overclocking goodness)

My main point is that SB-E has more memory bandwidth(twice as much as SB), more avaliable RAM(up to 64 gigs for ram cacheing), and 40 lanes of 3.0 PCI-E(more PCI-E bandwidth).

As of right now even the 3960X can use the bandwidth of the 2011/x79 platform, and there is no video cards out that can use the PCI-E bandwidth. Even though IB has improved over SB it still can't touch 2011 in thoose areas.

Even though SB-E can't use all of this platforms bandwith(PCI-E or memory) future CPUs may. Like you said SB-E is like 1.5x 2600Ks(really its 2 2600Ks but Intel hacked off 2 core to keep the TDP under 130W, but they are in there!) , 2x the memory controllers, and 2.5 the PCI-E lanes all gen 3(so it's really more)So it looks like the formula looks something like this:

What ever you do to a 1155 platform = 1.5x(2x watching the TDP) on the CPU for 2011

= 2x on the memory bandwith for 2011

= 2.5x PCI-E bandwidth for 2011(counts for nothing if running one video card)

Every thing Intel did to improve IB over SB will do more in IB-E. 22nm die shrink would let you get 12 cores in the massive 2011 socket, It would also keep the TDP in the range where this would be possiable. The improvments to IB memory bandwidth(nothing to holla about) will raise in IB-E also, but 12 cores may be able to use it. IB is the first mainstream CPU to get gen 3 support(still 16 lanes though) SB-E already has it, so what do you think will happen with IB-E(even more bandwith).

When Nvidia releases Kepler I'm sure It will walk all over 7970S and TOM will have to quad SLI them!!! but even with the 7970s the CPU is the bottleneck, not the 2011 platform. Although it's not garranteed, I think spending the money on 2011 now is a good investment, because whatever comes next, 2011 will still hold its own against it. If Intel can double it and shove it into a 2011 socket a year later, I'm sure they will! The platform will be ready!

2011 is a new socket! how long you think intel is gonna keep 1155?? If the next "big thing" needs a socket change you think Intel will go "nah!, we better find a way to make it work so everyone doesn't have to buy a new system" NO! they will change that socket in a heartbeat!! Even if Intel droops the 2011 socket next year, I will still be able to enjoy it for several years, because It was overkill for me in the first place.

You work for intel champ?! Because you speak with great certainty and conviction that makes me want to buy shares of intel right now!

 

[BKCXb]

My philosophy when building myself a system is to purchase the best hardware that I can reasonably afford, and at the moment that includes SB-E.

My current system is around 6 years old now (yes, SIX!!), using an 8800 GTX and I would still be using my old Q6700 if it hadn't have died on me. As it stands I've had to sacrifice my second 8800 GTX (I used to run SLI) because I've been relegated to using my old HTPC motherboard (which doesn't support SLI) and Phenom CPU.

Certainly, I could get close-to-similar performance out of a regular Sandy Bridge system, but as I have a few additional uses for my machine (such as software compiling, video editing) I feel the better multi-threaded power of the 2011 should suit me more.

Yep, I've pretty much talked myself into getting the 3930k by now I think - let's see if it'll also last me another six years

. If the desktop platform is still around then, I suppose.

daDonn, gets it!!!

 

[BKCXb]

You work for intel champ?! Because you speak with great certainty and conviction that makes me want to buy shares of intel right now!

no, just a poor smuck who looks at market trends, throws out all the hype, and sees whats left!

my machine is still serving me fine, but it is nine or more(Intel) generations old. I did alot of research on each and every part that went into it, as to build a balaced machine, with an upgrade plan, for when things got cheaper. I would like to do it again, and 2011 is where I'm starting.

I really like the 2600K and wanted to buy one, but at the time couldn't afford to upgrade. Now I can and Intel put 2 2600Ks on the same die, there is no way I'm buying anything else.

I got nothing against Ivy bridge, but given the choice of getting the current greatest thing or waiting on the "new" current greatest, I will always choose the current greatest thing, I don't wait.

At some point you have to buy something, top of the line, bottom or straight down the middle, you have to buy something!!

bottom end buyer don't know or don't care and are happy with what they got at the all important pirce that they got it at, most very quickly want something better as their low end stuff becomes outdated just as quick.

middle of the road buyers want top of the line stuff but can't afford it, or can't justify spending the extra money for the ever deminishing performance return. Some just don't need or want everthing the high end offers, but imagine spending $800 and 3 months later wishing you would of spent the extra $200.

top of the like buyers just want top of the line everthing!

I'm all three rolled into one, I want top of the line everthing, but I do have a budget, so I gotta find value(not price), and on things I don't care about,who ever has it the cheapest!!

 

[JMMP]

no, just a poor smuck who looks at market trends, throws out all the hype, and sees whats left!

my machine is still serving me fine, but it is nine or more(Intel) generations old. I did alot of research on each and every part that went into it, as to build a balaced machine, with an upgrade plan, for when things got cheaper. I would like to do it again, and 2011 is where I'm starting.

I really like the 2600K and wanted to buy one, but at the time couldn't afford to upgrade. Now I can and Intel put 2 2600Ks on the same die, there is no way I'm buying anything else.

I got nothing against Ivy bridge, but given the choice of getting the current greatest thing or waiting on the "new" current greatest, I will always choose the current greatest thing, I don't wait.

At some point you have to buy something, top of the line, bottom or straight down the middle, you have to buy something!!

bottom end buyer don't know or don't care and are happy with what they got at the all important pirce that they got it at, most very quickly want something better as their low end stuff becomes outdated just as quick.

middle of the road buyers want top of the line stuff but can't afford it, or can't justify spending the extra money for the ever deminishing performance return. Some just don't need or want everthing the high end offers, but imagine spending $800 and 3 months later wishing you would of spent the extra $200.

top of the like buyers just want top of the line everthing!

I'm all three rolled into one, I want top of the line everthing, but I do have a budget, so I gotta find value(not price), and on things I don't care about,who ever has it the cheapest!!

you are right man!!

I'm pretty sure everyone who has a budget limit thinks like us!

we live in a consumerist society INTEL / AMD....etc know that, play with it and take benefits of all of us! Do not mean by this that in the same situation I had not done the same, but we have to analyze that game and put in the balance all the offers and see the benefits we get!

In the end who gives them money for them to do this set of small changes in processors and other things? us!

that said i prefer buying from tock to tock or tick to tick to buy a technology that is one step ahead that gives me very little difference in performance for the same money when I can buy the following technolagy for the same price and have plenty more performance difference!

 

[pickyantivirus]

My philosophy when building myself a system is to purchase the best hardware that I can reasonably afford, and at the moment that includes SB-E.

My current system is around 6 years old now (yes, SIX!!), using an 8800 GTX and I would still be using my old Q6700 if it hadn't have died on me. As it stands I've had to sacrifice my second 8800 GTX (I used to run SLI) because I've been relegated to using my old HTPC motherboard (which doesn't support SLI) and Phenom CPU.

Certainly, I could get close-to-similar performance out of a regular Sandy Bridge system, but as I have a few additional uses for my machine (such as software compiling, video editing) I feel the better multi-threaded power of the 2011 should suit me more.

Yep, I've pretty much talked myself into getting the 3930k by now I think - let's see if it'll also last me another six years

. If the desktop platform is still around then, I suppose.

Hey,I'm currently using the Q6600 and a 9600GT. I also plan to be upgrading soon. Rumors are that Ivy Bridge is anywhere from 5 - 25% faster than SB overall. But! and it seems to be a big but, remember that it is a shrink to 22nm and slight improvement to SBs architecture. This means the CPU increase is probably about 10% better but reports are that the graphics performance is 50% better. TBH I'm waiting for IB and I would highly recommend holding on for that little bit longer because you're bound to kick your self if IB comes, at a reasonable price, with big performance increases after a while longer wait.